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....and I'm still finding new stuff about them.

They played 12 times in Manchester in 1976.

Four of the songs that failed to make "Unknown Pleasures" were finally released on "Heart And Soul".

Four tracks were recorded for the RCA demo at Arrow Studios - including "Keep On Keepin' On".

The Genetic demos were recorded in October 1978.

The Factory live concert which was featured on "Heart And Soul" and the "Unknown Pleasures" reissue took place on July 17th, 1979.

Joy Division only appeared on TV twice - "What's On" and "Something Else".

And the reason why all these facts are new to me??

IS BECAUSE THEY ARE WRONG!!!!!!!

And where did I retrieve this Fools' Gold of disinformation?

The new Record Collector article!!!!!

The author - Jake Kennedy - has written a book about the making of "Unknown Pleasures" - if his fact-finding skills within this article are anything to go by the book may as well be filed alongside "Alice's Adventures In Wonderland" in the fiction shelves of your local library. A serious magazine such as Record Collector should be ashamed at releasing an article that appears to have more holes than John Lennon's recollection of Blackburn, Lancashire.

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....thanks for sharing,lee...nearly bought one;is their any valuable info regarding collecting in there?really curious...or does the name-sake miss it's intention?
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It says the vinyl of "The Complete BBC Recordings" is worth £30 - and the limited 500 copy version of the +- box is £125 plus - oh yes - and there is another beaut - it lists "A Factory Sample" as a 12" double pack. Hilarious.
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Thought this might be one to avoid when I saw who had written it. Seem to recall much criticism of his UP book.

Lee, suggest you get your observations published and call it Record Corrector. :-)

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This is an ancient and tiresome story. 'Record Collector' never seems to engage a fan/expert when it feels the urge to get 'hip & with it' by publishing an article on JD; they're always mildly interested parties or smart-arses who spread themselves way too thin. Back in 1989 there was a 'exhaustive' piece backed with 'complete' discography, chock full of mistakes and omissions...I wrote in giving them a bollocking and they actually printed the letter albeit in very heavily-edited form. The real trouble is, 'RC' doesn't employ many permanent staff; most of their articles are syndicated so these things are simply banged in and accepted as veritas by the editorial blokes - one of whom should know better; Ian McCann, formerly of 'Smash Hits' and 'The Face' (he wrote a great review of 'Still' for the latter in 1981) was a massive JD fan and one would have thought he'd pay particular attention to an article of this nature before giving the green light. But hey, it's not all bad, they can do the job properly when it suits: upon the release of 'Control' the magazine did take the time to interview all three surviving protagonists, which made for an enlightening if rather bitchy read. More of the same in this most recent piece would have made all the difference.
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One I missed -

The first John Peel Session was recorded "in the last week of January and the second week of February 1979"

So

a) The guy doesn't know that John Peel Sessions had to be recorded in a day

b) He can't tell that one of the dates he has probably googled is a broadcast date as opposed to a recording one.

350125 - I know its tiresome - and I find it tiresome reading such amateurish research - but if one of us doesn't stick our head above the parapet more people will buy this mag and accept its clumsiness as gospel.

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Lee: Wasn't taking a pop at you; I just meant that after all this time that mag should have bucked up its ideas. RC's first article on the band was printed in 1982, another screamer but sympathetic, well-meant and somewhat forgivable: back then hard facts were thin on the ground and we were all speculating in varying degrees, likewise the 'updated' piece from 1989. I suppose I was a bit rough on them for not including minutae like the various versions of 'Komakino' and the cigarette-box 'HATYM' in their discographies but as you rightly point out, the haphazard dating/tracklisting of long-established and ultra important sessions such as Peel and Indigo Arrow only points to slovenly half-hearted groundwork. Whenever it wants an in-depth piece (and shouldn't they all be?) on, say, The Beatles, RC goes to Mark Lewisohn or Spencer Leigh; likewise obscure psychedelia/prog/folk - cue David Wells and friends. The magazine knows its specialists and overall does a fine job. So it beats me why editor McCann doesn't write about JD himself (he's more than capable) or better still approach someone here. And no, I don't mean me.
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The Record Collector has totally slid Downhill in my opium !
The Joy Division Article was a complete Crock of Shit ,and By Putting Ian Curtis on the cover it Therefore Sells a few more copies. 
  


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No pop at me was inferred 350125 - just clarifying the position. What I will say is - if it was someone of the likes of you (or various others on this forum) who had written that article, this thread would not exist because there would be nothing to complain about. I wouldn't mind so much - even though it would still be irksome -  if the magazine was meant for the casual music fan who doesn't wish to dip their toes in too deeply. Record Collector is definitely for the truly involved fan. OK - for many of us here - we would already know that this article is a crock of steaming crap and either roll our eyes or - as I have done - have a rant about it. Where this article is demonstrably damaging is to the fan who has just discovered Joy Division - the fan who has recently had their mind blasted by the opening bars of "Disorder" for the first time - and wants to immerse themselves in the nuances of the history of Joy Division. Record Collector presents itself as a magazine who can present these eager newcomers with the gospel info they require to further their knowledge and interest - and with the amount of inaccuracies here it is tainting its remit and reputation.
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from an earlier RC (with interesting article of adam & the ants + smiths):

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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Record-Collector-Adam-And-The-Ants-The-Smiths-June-2005-Mint-Joy-Division-/331211801046?pt=UK_Magazines&hash=item4d1dc301d6

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Anyone intending to contact RC about this joker?
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