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Rhino are set to re-issue the Joy Division Back Catalogue again !

http://consequenceofsound.net/2015/05/joy-divisions-entire-catalog-to-be-reissue-on-vinyl-with-remastered-audio-and-bonus-tracks/



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Pressed to the Edge: Why vinyl hype is destroying the record

They are selling the same sh*t over and over again. Squeezed and overcompressed. If at least this would be re-masters that come close to the sound of the original releases...

All the masters they use are already digital. Now they just add the shortcomings of vinyl to digital loudness-war crappy remasters...


http://www.factmag.com/2015/05/07/pressed-to-the-edge-vinyl/

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Garbage release. A complete waste of time.
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Garbage release. A complete waste of time.


Why is it a waste of time to have your back catalogue available, officially?

Better to leave it to the bootleggers to do it?
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So.....if the first three feature material remastered in 2007, does this effectively mean these are genuine 2015 reissues, or are these old stock copies of the 2007 releases?

It also seems disingenous to say the 2010 Substance masters are appearing on vinyl for the first time. This appears to be the "+ -" box set repackaged as an album with the unnecessary add-ons of "Isolation" and "Heart And Soul" removed.

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Last time I checked the back catolog was available. It's available officially through Rhino and through old Factory releases. I think the real question is, why would anyone waste their time on this cash grab that adds zero to the Joy Division listening experience. Lee pointed it out in his post, and I would assume all of us bought the 2007 reissues - they are shit. At this point they ( Rhino) needs to make it worth our wild to bust open to wallet. I'll pass on this one gents.
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Am I the only one to wait for the Hooky jam tape's to be release better than  boring vinyle reissue ?
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I saw this advertised yesterday and wondered what people's general opinion would be. To me it looks like profit is the main motivation (despite the anniversary) and they are being sold to people who will buy them for the sake of completeness. Older fans have these on the original vinyl, newer fans have them on CD.
I get disappointed by the amount of JD vinyl releases of dubious legality that I see on Amazon and eBay and this looks like a legal equivalent of the same thing. It doesn't serve any purpose other than giving collectors more things to collect.

I suppose that anything released officially that was genuinely new or different would have been welcome but of course there's not really anything left to release. The Heart and Soul box set and two live CDs of the mid/late 90s made a lot of previously bootlegged stuff legally available and the 2007 special editions added to the official live releases.
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well,from a fans perspective it's delightful to see that a 'band' from the 7-ties manchester,with only 2 albums to their credit,still are talked about,listened to & have the lingering of a 'yet-to-be-released' material.these re-released units only prove that there is an ever growing audience that has to be saturated....be it vinyl,be it cd's,..........ok!?
...........but for the 'die-hard' fan,that has experience on the JD legacy market,it feels like being fed by a
vulture that picks bones & sells 'shit' as guano.
whatever the take but the umpteenth regurgitated bootleg only creates a bigger monument to an unrivalled band,me humbly thinks.

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What's so sad about this is that after countless re-releases and collections and best-offs and box-sets, there is not a single official re-release that does them justice.

There are masters that due to the conflict between the band and the woman who owns them are not re-released.

And I guess those Rhino re-releases contribute to the mess that is going on with vinyl releases these days (read the article I linked to above).

The same old crap remastered for the 10th time from Led Zeppelin etc. ppp. and bought for the 10th time by the same boring consumers prevents vinyl releases that might be really important from being released.


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There are masters that due to the conflict between the band and the woman who owns them are not re-released.


Not relevant anymore, and not releasable anyway. A handful of outtakes that sound very like the finished versions.
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It's just simply a case of making them available again, they are not currently being sold in Europe by Warners. In the US there are still 2007 copies floating around the system, but in Europe they're sold out unless you source US copies.

Factory re-released/re-pressed the albums over and over throughout the 80s, hence the endless sleeve and pressing variations some people are still trying to unravel 30 years later, did anyone complain at the time?
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What's so sad about this is that after countless re-releases and collections and best-offs and box-sets, there is not a single official re-release that does them justice.


What sort of thing do you think they should release? Bearing in mind that pretty much everything has been released.
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I thought the RSD re-issue of the Ideal for Living 12" was rather neat. It had different artwork (possibly in order not to be confused with the previous counterfeits) and new mastering with more clarity.
It would be lovely to have a 12" based on the Factory Sampler design, with Digital and Glass on the a-side and with 2 different mixes on the flipside (I never cared much for the tracks from the other bands). Surely Martin Hannett had a few other versions before he presented the final ones?
If those aren't available, it would also be fun to couple the official versions with the ones from the Genetic sessions.

Other fun ideas for a decent re-issue would be remastered versions of the entire Genetic, Piccadilly or Central Sound sessions, none of which were complete on the H&S box set. And I say 'remastered', so they can render all the countless bootleg releases redundant.

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I'd  agree with a lot of that. It's as much about presentation as about the music that's made available. A Factory Sampler re-issue would be cool if they stayed with the original concept of innovative packaging design and free stickers (I have to say I quite liked the Cabaret Voltaire and Durutti Column tracks). There are certainly less of us who own that than own the vinyl albums.
I'd love to see the Genetic, Piccadilly or Central Sound sessions released in full and properly packaged... I'd like to think that it will happen one day, but the way things are currently going I think it's more likely the future anniversaries and future RSDs are just as likely likely to result in more compilations and similar reproductions of original releases.
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They should reissue the factory samples like this Doors' single for exemple: https://www.thedoors.com/store/light-my-fire-vinyl-45 
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What sort of thing do you think they should release? Bearing in mind that pretty much everything has been released.
 


Maybe something that sonically resembles the "Jap Box-set"???? They apparently painstakingly duplicated the sleeves, maybe they could do the same with the audio...  

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I agree with Truth, this is just the albums being made available on vinyl again which is fine by me. Someone with a record deck will want them and that's great.

With regards to the other suggestions, I personally don't want remixes of tracks I already own. They won't be much better, just different, and IMHO less authentic ... especially if remixed by someone who wasn't even around or alive at the time.

I would also be very very suspicious of any unreleased Martin Hannett material that turned up now [smile]

Just my opinions, I'm quite happy for anything to be released but I won't be buying it.
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“Each design replicates the original in painstaking detail, including the gatefold covers used for Still and Substance,” a press release adds.

Erm.....I don't remember my vinyl of "Substance" being gatefold - the CD and cassette were 17 tracks but the vinyl of course was a single LP 10 tracker.....

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Yep, that would be an example of not painstakingly checking your facts.
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With regards to the other suggestions, I personally don't want remixes of tracks I already own. They won't be much better, just different, and IMHO less authentic ... especially if remixed by someone who wasn't even around or alive at the time.


A remaster is not the same as a remix. It leaves the original mix intact and serves to enhance sound dynamics. A remaster is sometimes quite welcome if previous masters were either flat and dull (often the case with first cd issues) or too loud and compromised by clipping (often the case with more recent attempts at remastering).
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If they cannot promise "audiophile" quality for these re-releases - that is, stuff that FOR ONCE isn't compressed to high hell and back and might actually be sourced from masters, this time - then this is a complete waste of time. By this point, I just don't have any hope that they will do that.

Whoever said it before is right - the 2007 remasters are out of stock. I say good-fucking-riddance. They couldn't be bothered to source from the masters (which Stephen was apparently able to use for the +- boxset...) and then they compressed Analog Loyalist's good-for-the-time remasters of the live shows so now they sound like shit and are so damn loud I go half-deaf whenever I listen to High Wycombe.

Don't believe anyone who ever says that there is no more to be released. Again, absolute bullshit. I know for a fact they are all sitting on private tapes of live shows and studio work. Stuff leaks, every now and then. Look at that lukewarm release of the bootleg that came out last year that released the "A Means to an End" rehearsals. But everyone is too terrified of legal shit to release anything officially, to the point where we have to wait until Bernard or Hooky DIES before they release something new in memorium. 

If they really wanted to, they could release stuff that is actually worthwhile and new, but they won't, because why the hell would they care about what people actually want to and would buy?

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