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What are your favourite writings about Joy Division? Articles or books included.

Mine are:

Simon Reynolds- chapter in Rip It Up. Reynolds, as is his habit, really gets under the skin of JD.

Richard Cook- Cries & Whispers (NME article subtitled A retrospective on the vinyl pain and pleasure of joy division and new order). Brief notes on each record, but very perceptive.

Mick Middles & Lindsay Reade- Torn Apart. My favourite book, probably the only one that goes beyond biography to get inside the music.

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so long it's not paul morley.........................but quite a nice idea listing favourite authors.
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Top new thread. The Cook piece was very good and rather well-employed by Hawkeye. There was also a cool article called, I think, 'Death Will Keep Us Together' in some American mag, around 1981 I believe. It's stuffed in a drawer in our flat somewhere. Seem to recall it was accompanied by a great photo of New Order playing the Hurrah club in September 1980. Oh, and Dave McCullough's obituary on Ian, originally printed in 'Sounds' May 1980...always gives me an ironic grin. You'd think he was talking about Zeus. Then the following year the self-same bloke reviewed 'Still' and observed 'it's impossible to sit through two sides of JD. Without, that is, strangling the goldfish.' A remark not to my taste. But it's odd how one's perspective changes with the passage of time.
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i guess your name will be shortly added to this specific list,350125,i hope (hint,hint,hint)?
oh,my fave (up to now,hint,hint,hint!!!) is mark johnsons 'a.i.f.l' & besides P.M., the worst is morrissey's obnoxious claim.

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@dmxi: It's a wrap; Marko's got it. Be interested to hear your opinion when the page goes up.
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1.Torn Apart - Mick Middles / Lindsay Reade by miles for me.
   Absolutely fantastic book. Filled with detail and such an
   enjoyable read. Unputdownable once started!

2. Shadowplayers - James Nice
    I know its more Factory overall but good JD stuff throughout.
    If you are into Factory at all this is a cracking read. 

3. Rip it Up by Simon Reynolds 
    The JD stuff was good if all too brief. More of an encylopedia
    for me to dip into to get details on other bands where my memory has lapsed!

4. Touching from a Distance - Deborah Curtis
    I found it skewed and embittered.
    Any JD book is a good book but I read it as one persons take
    on things and it didnt sit well with me.

5. Unknown Pleasures - Peter Hook
    Book was good fun for band shenanigans and fun but read it
    with a volumous pinch of salt. A light but enjoyable read.

Looking for to Bernards bio out this year i believe.

Anyone know of anything else JD related in the pipeline?

morley is a complete turn off for me. writing style too floral. trying
to hard to be artsy. i get he was/is a huge JD fan but his style just
doesn't communicate to me. Probably just me.

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'A day out with Joy Division' ... by Alan Hempsall of Crispy Ambulance, from Jan '80. First printed in 'Extro' Sci-Fi magazine, and then re-printed in one of the 'Standard' fanzines mid '80's

Transcript of the interview here :

http://home.wxs.nl/~frankbri/jdvextro.html



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'A day out with Joy Division' ... by Alan Hempsall of Crispy Ambulance, from Jan '80. First printed in 'Extro' Sci-Fi magazine, and then re-printed in one of the 'Standard' fanzines mid '80's

Transcript of the interview here : http://home.wxs.nl/~frankbri/jdvextro.html



That was a great article. Thanks for posting

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4. Touching from a Distance - Deborah Curtis
    I found it skewed and embittered.
    Any JD book is a good book but I read it as one persons take
    on things and it didnt sit well with me.

....could'nt have put it better & :


"morley is a complete turn off for me. writing style too floral. trying
to hard to be artsy. i get he was/is a huge JD fan but his style just
doesn't communicate to me. Probably just me."

...no,you're not alone with that one & i believe the majority of JDC'ers won't disagree!

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Good to read the "day out" article again. Was it ever established what the TV show in Belgium was?

In the mean time here's Cozy Powell and Bernard's quite right, it is awful.



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Was it ever established what the TV show in Belgium was?


I wonder if it was just Ian looking up at the balcony at Plan K and seeing the guy recording this (Michel Isbecque) whilst he was onstage:



As for the best writing about JD?For me,I'd go w/ Torn Apart as well.Although,unlike everybody else here it seems,I enjoyed Morley's essay from the Heart and Soul box set,too.

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For me it would be touching from a distance - the best / the worst would be hooky's inside JD
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Professor Bob Nowlan at University of Wisconsin-Eau Claire is on sabbatical partially to work on his book about Joy Division. He offers, or has offered, a class studying nothing but. Don't have a link handy but the syllabus was online, quite worth reading through.
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One of the most ill-informed pieces is the latest Record Collector article. I've written about it in more detail elsewhere on the forum - but unless you like your toilet paper glossy and expensive - save your money.
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anyone seen or read this:
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Joy-Division-Frederic-P-Miller-/161312941456?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_77&hash=item258f002590
[$_12]

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You mean this one; http://www.joydiv.org/bk72.htm

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yupp....any good or just a collection of bits & bobs?
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The latter.


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Fandom, Image and Authenticity: Joy Devotion and the Second Lives of Kurt Cobain and Ian
Curtis (Pop Music, Culture and Identity) (Hardcover)
Jennifer Otter Bickerdike
Available October 8, 2014

$75.99 . My guess on the cost is lots of color plates although there's no mention of that in the description.

Has anyone read this e-book: Ian Curtis: The King of Post-Punk (Kindle Edition)
Mac Sharp
$4.99 for 3 pages.
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The History of Rock 'n' Roll in Ten Songs
Greil Marcus

http://yalepress.yale.edu/yupbooks/book.asp?isbn=9780300187373

"Greil Marcus selects ten songs recorded between 1956 and 2008, then proceeds to
dramatize how each embodies rock ’n’ roll as a thing in itself, in the story it tells, inhabits, and
acts out—a new language, something new under the sun.
“Transmission” by Joy Division."

From the Review section:
" The chapters on Joy Division, on Buddy Holly, and on the two ‘Money”
songs are tours de force.”—Carl Wilson, Slate

And here's a radio (how appropriate lol) interview with a nice Ian istic photo from I believe the Bowden Youth Club and a clip from Control and scroll down for an interview excerpt about the impact Transmission had on Marcus:

http://www.npr.org/2014/08/30/343676703/the-other-rock-history
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I wish Marcus had spent more time fact-checking and less time watching Sam Riley. He woefully misquotes the lyric for Transmission on p. 35 of the "...10 Songs" sample chapter: "Language is sound" vs. "No language, just sound."

http://books.google.com/books/yup?id=-Yk_BAAAQBAJ&pg=PA29&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=1#v=onepage&q&f=false
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I'll take your word for that-it wouldn't let me go past page 33. What a shame cause I was really getting into the rhythm of his writing.
Say what you will about Control but for me it was a revelationary awakening to the fact that yes! there IS still wonder in this world and it's called Joy Division!! Why the hell had I never heard of them before?!?! So yeah, I was grateful that I finally had....
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I'm definitely happy that Marcus included Transmission, whatever fumbles he might have made in the process. The music deserves a wider audience, so the more paths to it, the better. It's a real groaner of an error to make, though, and he made it because he was quoting the movie performance (in which the line does resemble "Language is sound"). Giving comparable attention to studio or live recordings, Something Else, or the lyrics published in Touching from a Distance would have cleared up the confusion. Pity his editor wasn't a big JD fan.

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Pity too he never watched the dvd extra of the real JD performing Transmission-Ian was quite clear on the lyrics.
There is a big difference betwen the phrases "no language just sound" and "language is sound."
Yet Another One for Marko's errata project, yes? ;-)
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I'm not familiar with a JD errata thread; can you point me that way?

I agree that the change in meaning is huge. It's odd that a professional writer wouldn't pay close attention to what the band's writer was saying. Perhaps once you've made your bones as a cultural critic, you can sit down with a handful of DVDs, some liner notes, and a bottle, spend an escapist afternoon, tap out whatever streams across your consciousness, and score the top sales slot on Amazon's Music History & Criticism list. Word monkeys the world over are jealous.
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