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paulsammax

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I posted my recollections on here a few years ago but this in a bit more detail.
I got into JD in early 1979 after a mate played me his copy of a factory sample. I went out and bought a copy - sadly mine didn't have stickers. It was £1.50! I also bought UP in its first week of release and subsequently moved onto live tapes. A few of my mates saw JD - at Birmingham Odeon on the Buzzcocks tour and also at Malvern. I heard they were playing Birmingham Uni but in those days many Uni gigs were NUS only. I was still at school doing a levels. Anyway a bunch of us got tickets. I guess it wasn't NUS only. Some of my other mates went to see the UK Subs who were also playing in Brum on that night. Bad call!
As I recall we got to High Hall at around 8. By this time the place hadn't opened and we stood outside for a bit. All was running a bit late. I remember looking though a window and seeing Ian and Barney wondering around.
Finally we were allowed in but we had to wait in the bar for a while. When we finally got into the Hall itself and ACR were onstage! Tony Wilson then announced that ACR were just finishing their sound check so we sort of caught the tail end of that.
The audience were a mixed bunch. Heavy metalers long coat brigade and regular students. Not many punks as I recall - all at the UK Subs no doubt.
ACR came on and did quite a funky set. I think I'd heard the Graveyard and the Ballroom by then. I know that they played for around 40 minutes as somewhere I have a tape of their set.
In between sets I seem to recall that you could buy hot dogs at the back of the hall for 50p!
It was quite late by the time JD came on. In fact it was 11.15 as I looked at my watch when they walked on. Trains back home were going to be a no no!
I stood around 3 rows back between Ian and Hooky. Ian wore a green army shirt and jeans. Hooky was in a burgundy shirt and tie. Barney wore a white shirt. I thought he wore a tie but the photos tell otherwise. Couldn't really see Steve as he had a lot of drums! Barney played his SG and Hooky had a Yamaha. I remember being surprised as I'd seen him on tv etc with his Hondo 11. Whilst on this subject I bought a secondhand Rickenbacker copy sometime in 1980/81 and it was a Hondo 11. I didn't realise Hookys Ric copy was also a Hondo. I've still got it and the thought has crossed my mind on more than one occasion.
To be honest I don't recall much about Ceremony. I just remember thinking it was an instrumental until Ian started singing at the end.
The set list we all know anyway. Ian didn't do much dancing as I recall. He sort of started a couple of times but only for a couple of seconds. I seemed to think he spent most of his time with hands clasped to the mike.
I remember the fast songs on the run in and there was a bit of a mosh pit to my left (although we didn't call them mosh pits in those days)
I'm sure that Hooky played his 6 string bass for isolation and decades. I don't remember the synth being out of tune either. Probably because I didn't know the song and actually it's not really noticeable on the audience recording. I don't remember Ian being helped offstage either but I remember the rest of the band carrying on without him.
There was of course the one encore. I just remember being surprised by the ending as Hooky had added that extra bass line by then.
And then they were gone. Bang on midnight.
I finally got home at around 3am. Had to get my dad to pick me up from the centre of Brum.
Of course the news broke on the Monday after Ian died. I heard via John Peel. It soon became apparent that I'd seen the last JD concert. Which is why I guess I remember so much.
The bit that seems to be in my mind that it was really light while they were on. Maybe it was.
11 months later I saw NO at the cedar club and over the next 5 or so years I must have seen them 15 or 20 times.
A couple of footnotes. In 2006 NO played wolverhampton civic hall and I took my sons along. For Max who was 11 at the time it was his first gig and of course by then they were regularly playing JD stuff (although I was at the 83 gig at the Tower Ballroom when they opened with LWTUA). Also the BbC. 5 live presenter Adrian Goldberg was also there.
So. My recollection I guess I'd have to sum it up by saying "I remember when we were young"
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I love that part about hot dogs being sold in the back. II'll keep that home-y detail in mind the next time I go off into rapturous heights of "WOW" listening to this. :-D

Thanks very much for telling us about your experience. Appreciate it v much! :-)
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Awesome story...thanks so much! I know what you mean about the last train business; lost count of the number of times during 1981-2 when New Order would come onstage at some inconsiderately ludicrous hour and I'd end up kicking my heels on Leeds or Bradford station waiting for the 3am milk train...I lived in Selby at the time and unlike you didn't have a very sympathetic father; he thought JD/NO were 'a bunch of puffters'.
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'a bunch of puffters'.
a line i haven't heard since me dad died in 2002!thanks for the reminiscence,julian!

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Ian didn't do much dancing as I recall. He sort of started a couple of times but only for a couple of seconds. I seemed to think he spent most of his time with hands clasped to the mike. "
cheers for recounting & very interesting observation as that has been a topic of mis-leading generalization of ian going off at any given concert & not a matter of him being 'up-to-it' moody wise.


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Dom: Eerie coincidence, my beloved pater cashed in his chips in 2002 as well - on the very day the World Trade Centres got zapped. Never one to mince his words - as is apparent from the oft-expressed opinion that Joy Division were 'puffters' - I visited him in hospital on the afternoon of September 11 and asked "how you feeling dad?". "Fucking shite" was the reply. An hour later he was 'toes up', as we say in these parts.
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my deepest condolences!very eerie indeed as my dad said he was fine & was off to hand in his retirement paperwork & collapsed just in front of his destination & died.4o years + of hard labor & that's the thanks ye get!still annoyed to this day!
sorry,for being off topic..

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superb recollection paulsammax. love reading these first hand accounts. 
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Top notch indeed - great recollections and thanks for posting [thumb]
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