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Nice.

While we're at it, wouldn't a book of all the professionally-shot JD images be great? Does anyone think this could happen, getting all the photographers/rights holders involved?
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Very cool. I didn't read the England's Buring book, but a friend of mine who opinon I trust said it was excellent. So it seems this book is in capable hands.
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Yay!
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looking forward to this. roll on spring 2014
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@jdivision1970 - seconded.
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Is this the DEFINITIVE Ian Curtis lyrics collection? Will it include far more than Touching from a Distance? I'm skeptical but it'd be really nice
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I hope it is as good as I imagine it will be...Sometimes these types of books are a little hard to read (see Kurt Cobain's Journals), if they completely rely on Ian's quickly hand written notes and writings, it may be a little hard to read. I hope I'm wrong about that.

I am psyched though. I also read that Bernard is releasing his own JD book in reponse to Peter Hook's book. I am really looking forward to that too. It will be nice to have his perspective on things too.

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im skeptical too. will this book be facsimilies of ians handwritten lyric ideas or a typewritten jon savage mediated interpretation of what ian *meant* to say.
rather more interested in the former....

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Is this out yet? I'd love to pick it up.
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You can preorder it on Amazon. It's not due out til November 2014.
I suppose I will get it tho I'm not keen on paying for a lengthy essay by Jon Savage and a forward by Debbie and I have the sinking feeling that the handwritten what-nots are going to be nothing new but....that's all there is so it is what it is.
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Deborah has Ian's unpublished notes so I think you'll be pleasantly surprised
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can't wait to see it...after Hooky's dreadful UP book I'm sure this one will shed some light on Ian's own thoughts and view of the world...Deborah and Savage are garantees that it will be a serious work...and, by the way, I hope it will be completely different from Cobain's papers which reflect the empty mind of a poor drug addict with no brain, used like a puppet by the multinationals...obv Ian was not like that!
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you seem to have a very set mind towards anything that is set in 'big buisness',like being known is a definite part of a conspiracy(believe me,i've traveled the conspiracy route & have spent irretrievable life-time in 'research');the world isn't that easy,mate!this is not meant in any way offensive.....best wishes -dmxi -
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To call Hooky's book 'dreadful' is a trifle unfair; it was awash with inconsistencies and mistakes but still a great read. The chief reason it got, and continues to get, such universal slaggings is simple: the Captain tells it from the eye of the hurricane, as it was (almost), a 23-year old loose cannon with not a whiff of pose or pretension about him. His ill-fitting garb and deeply unfashionable beard of the time tell us that for a kick-off. He had no truck with wanky journalists, refused to believe 'the hype', and just got on with his job. Can't knock the bloke for that. Joy Division fucking rocked, and that's the whole point of 'Unknown Pleasures'. I think this new one will be most intriguing for sure; of course any new information on our man's writings will be more than welcome. Though my cynical Northern nature regrets to note that the former Mrs Curtis, after doing a splendid hatchet-job on Ian via 'Touching From A Distance' - i.e. cheerily informing us of what a nasty piece of work he allegedly was - is more than pleased to continue pulling the fruit-machine handle in his good name. Just an observation, mind.
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As a NIRVANA fan outside of my Joy Division bubble, I was instantly pulled towards the mention of the 'Kurt Cobain Journals' in an earlier post on this thread.

When I first read mention of 'So This Permanance' part of me did not want to read all of what was described.  Sure, the lyrics are different in that they have (in most cases) been already published, either in images of his own hand, or in printed format on various lyric sites.  It was the mention of personal notebooks and writings which left me feeling slightly uneasy, in that they were 'personal' to Ian Curtis.

While I never fail to be awe of the power of the lyrics of Ian Curtis, they move me still to this day and I have no reason to think that will change.  However, part of me thinks delving into his personal notes might in some small way be an invasion of his privacy, for which he is no longer able to defend.

You see, I have never purchased the 'Kurt Cobain Journals' for exactly the same reason.  In my mind they were not intended for publication to be laid bare, exposed and digested by the masses.

This is an odd one for me, it really is.  While I am always excited at reading snippets of previously unknown Joy Division information still surfacing, this one seems different.  I am sure that Ian's widow would not allow anything sensitive to Ian to hit the lights, but in the cold light of day, I think I might give this book a miss.  Some might call that over sensitive, well I can live with that.

As interesting as I find both Ian Curtis and Kurt Cobain in their own respective right, I think I will just enjoy the music they left behind.......





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Dont get me wrong guys: I really liked Hooky's out of fashion look and obv he was a great musician...no doubt about that...what I found dreadful about UP book is the message that gets across: JD were a rock band out for success, just like the Cure or any other band..."rocking" and wild... I dont think so...they were something much more important then that...in fact Ian was completely out of the usual rock star, drug and groupies image...so superior to that....
as far as the plot, or conspirancy theory, dmxi: its a fact that the Cia, with a specific program, flooded american and european youth with all kinds of drugs at the end of the 60's to crush the opposition to the Vietnam slaughter...at the same time the Soviets and commies had all the interest to destroy western youth and they used the same channel all through the Seventies...then the drug trafficking got out of hand and the islamic, south american, jewish and italian mafia stepped in...still it must be remembered the role that the Us secret services had in forming the islamic extremists (against the Soviets in Afghanistan) - the same so called "taliban" and jihad rebels who control until this day the opium and heroin trade all around the world -
so you see? Is not some phony theory out of a Mel Gibson b movie...is the sad reality of the decline of the western world: kill the youth and control the minds - the invisible powers are free to destroy our civilization
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i know those 'facts' but you can not extrapolate that into JD...as you rightly state they were counter to the 'buisness'!....& let's leave it at that as i've fought many discussions & we share the same stance,ok?
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Er....this is all rather ridiculous. Let's stick to Joy Division and benign off-topics. Porfirio, you sound like the taxi driver who assured me one dark and drizzly night last autumn the airliners which slammed into the World Trade Centres on 9/11 were actually guided missiles from Israel. True. He said that. You want a genuine 'conspiracy theory'? Try the recent text messages between my wife and the gorgon-in-law.
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Let's drop the remarks about random conspiracies, please. Joy Division is no conspiracy.

Personally, I would love to see every trace of Ian's writing possible. There was a lot that was not included on Touching from a Distance. I want to see that original draft of "Komakino"!

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i know those 'facts' but you can not extrapolate that into JD...as you rightly state they were counter to the 'buisness'!....& let's leave it at that as i've fought many discussions & we share the same stance,ok?


so true dmxi...the fact that they were (especially Ian) "counter to the business" is demonstrated by the wonderful lyrics of Durutti Column's Missing Boy:
"I don't believe in stardom
Machinery in action"
which reflect Ian's philosophy better then many books

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To call Hooky's book 'dreadful' is a trifle unfair; it was awash with inconsistencies and mistakes but still a great read. The chief reason it got, and continues to get, such universal slaggings is simple: the Captain tells it from the eye of the hurricane, as it was (almost), a 23-year old loose cannon with not a whiff of pose or pretension about him. His ill-fitting garb and deeply unfashionable beard of the time tell us that for a kick-off. He had no truck with wanky journalists, refused to believe 'the hype', and just got on with his job. Can't knock the bloke for that. Joy Division fucking rocked, and that's the whole point of 'Unknown Pleasures'. I think this new one will be most intriguing for sure; of course any new information on our man's writings will be more than welcome. Though my cynical Northern nature regrets to note that the former Mrs Curtis, after doing a splendid hatchet-job on Ian via 'Touching From A Distance' - i.e. cheerily informing us of what a nasty piece of work he allegedly was - is more than pleased to continue pulling the fruit-machine handle in his good name. Just an observation, mind.

Ding ding ding we have a winner on that latter bit!!
My speculation is running along the lines of same ol same ol with all the really juicy stuff held back another 20 odd years....for "old age insurance" doncha know. Because what else has she got?

I'm SURE Ian knew that at some "moment in time" all he wrote and left behind would come to light. He never struck me as being stupid-"everything is by design."

I say put it all out there, here and now. Debbie's royalties will continue rolling in til the end of her days 'cause Ian Curtis never goes out of style. He's a frickin icon, universal and timeless. People will always want to know his story. And the more they know, the better.
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From Cerysmatic Factory Website.
`So This Is Permanence - Lyrics And NoteBooks of Ian Curtis.
http://news.cerysmaticfactory.info/2014/07/so-this-is-permanence-jon-savage-deborah-curtis-joy-division-book.html

Now the Release is Out in Early October....Nearer Christmas than Spring  !!

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Im glad that Jon Savage is involved .... as ive found that his level of detail alongside a high level of 'quality control' usually deliver a very worthwhile read.
Plus he was there at the time .....

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He's not a bad writer, I just don't like the way he writes. And the more I try to go back to the beginning of JD the more Savage I read and I get v v irritated. It's like Ian died and who appointed Mr Savage curator. Did ian have a will? And that was in it? This is Debbie's doing? The survivors? Meh. It's just me, surely so. I just do not like the way he writes-overly dense and prosaic. And he's writing about lyrics that were anything but. Meh!!!

(off to pre-order of course lol)
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