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stepoutside

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This is what i got.  I didn't come up with anything new, it's just a combination of things other people said before.  The italicized parts are the most questionable, but that's not to say i'm 100% sure about the rest of it.  The last few lines could be pretty much anything, but i went with scopes' version because at least it seems to have close to the right number of syllables.  The underscores represent missing syllables.

pressure's high and failed unnerving
would you say the same old story
this is why the wheels are turning
turn away and turn again this time
listen now the savior calling
time again and we will be there
notice that the tide walks higher
think again and change its way this time

oh i'll break them all, no mercy shown
heaven knows it's got to crack somewhere
watching her, a sinking ship
the times she cried, too frail to wake this time

i'll break them all, no mercy shown
heaven knows it's got to be somewhere
avenues all lined with trees
picture me, then you start watching
watching forever
watching forever

everything, let it be so
for everything, let it be so
_ _ _ _ _, always be so

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very good.

enigma variations.
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I think it was " blessed are the cheesemakers"    

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StepOutsides seems pretty spot on actually...


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The last part sounds like this to me:

Everything, where your faith goes
For everything, may it be so
Truth and sharing, shall it be so

It's probably wrong.

I also read somewhere recently that the ending keeps repeating "Forever, very peaceful" and the person who wrote this took it to mean that Ian Curtis thought he was gonna go to heaven.  That doesn't really fit with everything else though - I mean, whatever happened to "Heart and soul - one will burn"?
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Posted this at Recycle blog yesterday but putting it here too re JD Ceremony rehearsal.  I put the recording through some gadgets and my ears over the weekend to try to hear the lyrics and interpret them. Obviously this is just one interpretation of many of an imperfect source and therefore not intended to be finite but I thought you and your visitors might be interested anyway. 

The lyrics (so far as I can tell) are pasted below and my reading of them is that the narrator in Ceremony can be viewed as an angel speaking first to another angel then directly to us on the subject of his sadness as he struggles with the rules and reality of non intervention in response to the prayers of souls he hears. From this perspective Ceremony touches on similar themes as Wenders 1987 film Wings of Desire where the angels can watch people but not act to help them. I could go on but that will do does as a summary.

-- JD Ceremony Rehearsal 1980 --
- Wings of Desire Interpretation -
Dont you find that prayers are moving?
Nothing sadder than peoples stories
Spoke to us while the worlds were forming
Blown away but said again this time

Broken hearted in pain he was calling
I said again that we will free him
Then I thought that I was a kind of
Evil venom there to slay his heart

Well I'll break them all no mercy shown
heaven knows I've got to crack somewhere
A passenger on a sinking ship
After tonight we felt it was his time

Well I'll break them all no mercy shown
Heaven knows I've got to do something
Avenues all lined with dreams
Picture me then you fear watching

Watching forever
Watching forever

Everything let it be so
For everything let it be so
Who wouldn't care for these wee souls

~Zeberdee23

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I believe the song is about his failing marriage and his hopes for his music career to go further and soften the blow of a potential divorce. I also believe it could be about the potential for his suicide or departure from the band.

pressure's high and failed unnerving
would you say the same old story?
Notice why the wheels are turned
look away and turn towards this time
listen now to the saviour's call
on the day that we were sinking
notice that the tide walks higher
thinks again and changes road this time

oh i'll break them all, no mercy shown
heaven knows it's got to get someone
watching her, a sinking ship
the times she cried, too frail to wake this time

i'll break them all, no mercy shown
heaven knows it's got to be somewhere
avenues all lined with trees
picture me, then you start watching
watching forever
watching forever

everything, let it be so
for everything, let it be so
let it be so, always be so

*I worked this out from slowing the tempo of the audio down 15% and cleaning it up with some filters.
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This is what Darkman posted in April this year in the Record Store release thread..

Ceremony, (Original Lyrics). Rehearsal version March/April 1980
“This is why it’s all gone unnerving
Would you say, the same old story
Notice why the wheels are turning
Turn away and turn again this time
Listen now the savior calling
Time again and we will see you
Notice that the tide walks higher
Lean again and change it’s way this time”.

“I’ll break them all, no mercy shown
Heaven knows, it’s got to crack somewhere
Watching her, a sinking ship
The times she cried, too frail to wake this time”.

“I’ll break them all, no mercy shown
Heaven knows it’s got to be somewhere
Avenues all lined with trees
Picture me, then you start watching”.

“Watching forever
Watching forever”.

“I was told, where your faith goes
Now I was told, may it be so
Truth be told, shall it be so”.

zeberdee23

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For the last line of Ceremony here are all the attempts in this thread to decipher the mumble: 

*Forever, letting me know

*Forever, always be so

*Every time, letting me go

*_ _ _ _ _, always be so

*Truth and sharing, shall it be so

*let it be so, always be so

*Truth be told, shall it be so


None of them really fit right for me because they miss some sounds.

What I hear is for the last line is:

"Who wouldn't care, for these wee souls"

Which is quite different.

Probably never know for sure. anyone else have a guess?

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Here's my best attempt at decoding them:

This is why the dead unnerve me
Would you state the same old story
This is why the wheels are turning
Turn away and turn them towards this time
Listen now, the saints are calling
Then again, he would leave her
Traveled fast, but now I'm stopping
Think again and change its way this time

I'll break them all, no mercy shown
Heaven knows, it's got to get better
Watching her, a sinking ship
The times she cried, too frail to wake this time

I'll break them all, no mercy shown
Heaven knows, it's got to be better
Avenues, all lined with trees
Picture me, and then you start watching
Watching forever...
Watching forever...

You understand, let it be so
Now come with me, may it be so
Truth be told, shall it be so...



Traveled fast, but now I'm stopping: Ian seemed to not want to be a part of the band anymore. They all became so famous so fast and were on the verge of being huge, but it seems that he could see the limits with where they were going.

Heaven knows, it's got to get better: Ian had previously referenced Catholicism in songs like Wilderness. Perhaps he hoped that heavenly life would be better than life on Earth?

Let it be so: Let it be that Ian will die? You think that's what he meant? Picture me, and then you start watching? Remember him as he was?

I actually didn't realize how dark the song was, now that I've looked at what I assume to be the lyrics. It's not as bad as In a Lonely Place, but still...

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Hi all - I have a rather radical new interpretation of the beginning of the song to share.
I cleaned up the audio a bunch and isolated the vocals as best as I could and I believe the song starts out thusly - 

This is how the dead are nourished
Witnessing the same old story
This is why the wheels are turning
Turn away, turning against time

I am 100% sure after cleaning up the audio that Ian does not say 'unnerve', or the 'me' that would almost have to follow it. The theme of the song fits quite well, I think, with these lyrics. I'll keep working on the rest, but in the meantime, this quote:

"The dead are nourished by judgments, the living by love."
- Elias Canetti
The Human Province
1978
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Can you share with us your cleaned up audio, jim4371?
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here's a clip of the section in question
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Definatley not them lyrics from the audio you've supplied.

He's not using the correct syllables to say "nourished" it has all the syllables to match "unnerve me" 

This is why the dead unevere me,
would you say the same old story,
This is why the wheels are turning,
Turn away and turn towards this time.

But the best clear up I have come across is here: 

jim4371

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I disagree. He's definitely saying 'this is how' or 'this is now' to begin with (my AKGs don't lie to me ever). At the end of the sentence, there is nothing sounding like 'me' and there is no 'vee' sound in there anywhere.
As far as the audio goes, I wasn't trying to clean it up, just cut out as much of the rest of the sound as possible.
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The first line might replace the word "why" with "how" and the second line might be "Witnessing the same old story", but other than that, you're interpretation doesn't quite fit, I don't think.

I'm also flattered by that link you provided, JoshBa. That's my own remaster.

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We'll have to agree to disagree - one more thing, though, I'm 100% certain, at least on the Birmingham tape, he says "in ten years time, watching" and not "and then you start watching".
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I just re-listened to the Birmingham version. You might be on to something with that particular line, bro. I always thought it sounded weird for Ian to sound like he was saying "TEN" rather than "then".
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No sorry Jim I've re-listened to it over and over and there is definitely a "vee" sound but I do think it's "This is how..." but if it is not "un-nerve me" then it is 100% categorically not "nourished"
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Interesting thread. And yes, this was indeed discussed here about 10 years ago, but the original thread is gone. That's when a fellow poster discovered that it's not "and then you start watching", as jim4371 points out. I hear it as "in ten years still watching" (except, ironically, on the "Still" version where it is "in ten years time watching").

Anyway, the first line seems to go something like "This is how the failed(?) are learning" - after all, it rhymes with "turning", doesn't it? It's not that on the Birmingham soundcheck, though. It could well be "...hurt me" on there.

Bear in mind, these were probably in-progress lyrics, so there's not likely to be a "definitive" or "final" lyric anywhere.
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one of ians last gifts for his audience,where any interpretation is open for the pleasure of the listener.pre-interactive music,if you will.he was way ahead of his time in any respect.

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Was just sat thinking and listening to this and it's possible the opening line could "This is how the dead unearth me" that makes some sense at least, well at least in my head.
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How can dead people unearth others, JoshBa?

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The dead can relate to spirits, ghosts etc and unearth means:
  1. Discover (something hidden, lost, or kept secret) by investigation or searching: "unearth the truth".
So for the dead to help him to discover the truth does not sound all that crazy considering his supposed mental state when Ceremony was written.
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like somebody else noted on the other page (and not that it particularly matters ) pretty sure one of the last lines is

PICTURE ME IN TEN YEARS TIME WATCHING

pretty clear to hear in this version at about 1.31



wouldnt it be hilarious if the guy just forgot his words and was mumbling some shit off the top of his head people have been trying to "decode" for 30+ years ?
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