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TonyN

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Hi imkc1,
Thanks [smile]
hahaha [smile] we would mostly play out on the street...there was a lot of kids around Balmoral Cresent at that time...I remember we would 'pretend' to be Napoleon Solo and Iiiya Kuryakin from the TV series Man from U.N.C.L.E ...  We would play 'war' games...usually we Ian and myself would become 'resistance' fighters...The battles would be usually be WW2, but we also be Roman warriors [smile]
We were super hero's...Batman & Robin, Captain America....etc
We would play football in the street, usually fancying ourselves as George Best, Bobbie Charlton, Mike Summerbee...
We used to ride pushbikes a lot and become Ivan Major and Chris Pusey (Belle Vue Speedway Stars) - We went to the Speedway a lot...
When we were around 12/13 we bought a B.S.A Bantam motorbike and rode it on the local playing fields [smile] 
Due to the different influences around us....in our early teens we 'played' at being Mods, Rockers, Hippies, Hells Angels....

As for Ian's fame/notoriety....I had no inkling....I knew that whatever his pre-occupation was, he would 
pursue it with determination and belief...just as we did with the games we played....

Hope this answers your question [smile]

Maybe you could help me to promote my youtube channel around your part of the USA [smile]  So far I only have 66 view in the US!!!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCATgMpwD7827_fg8OoXfL4A

Many thanks [smile]
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Hello Tony

Back to your video - just needed clarification - the designs you have for "Unknown Pleasures" - did you come up with these at the time - or are these current designs based on the sketches in your notebooks if you had taken up Ian's offer? 

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Tony, do you have any recollections from the punk days, when they were still Warsaw? Do you own a copy of Ideal for Living? And to what extent were you aware of the transition in sound they went through, from rough punk tunes to more restrained post-punk?
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Hi Lee, all of the images are actual... Created between 1977 and 1979...They are stills from performances/installations that I was making at the time: some of the images are photographic references ...they were not made for a record sleeve, but were response to my 'pre-occupation at that time.
Ian saw the images and liked them and so, if I had submitted designs, those would have been what I would have proposed. The text was placed specifically for the video [smile]

TJ,
Hahaha yes I do have recollection of the punk days [smile] a bit hazy and fuzzy [smile].
I moved south in 1976 so Warsaw was mainly something Ian told me about- at the time I was seeing bands in London 'punk' venues.
Yes, Ian gave me a copy of An Ideal for Living on one of my visits back up to the north [smile].
Yes, I was aware that they were developing their 'craft/art' [smile]
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Welcome Tony
(By the way, i'm one of the few brazilians here at the Forum
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@tony
If i'm not mistaken there was a post/thread previously relating to the skip-dive-tape-saving julia in which a new/alternative UP vinyl release was proposed...any news on that?

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Hi Carlota,

Obrigado [smile]
é bom ver que tenho 6 vistas do Brasil [smile]

 

 

Dmxi,

Im sorry, I do not know what the skip-dive-tape saving Julia is, and I know nothing regarding alternative UP releases…..! [smile]

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Seems to have been redacted, was a massive post from where the 'grumbling' must have 'reached' you ...anyway it adressed miss skip-dive-reel-saver julia & the ongoing rights debacle with warner to be settled so an 'in-ians-true-will/wish' collectors edition (with the artwork of yours truly) numbered vinyl thingy could be produced.weird was the talk of using said saved reels to post mix & produce an altered UP
version where ians standard of expectations (???-tough one that) would be met, if my memory is correct.
Anyone got a clue where that 'essay' vanished too? Couldn't find it.

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Okay J still not sure what you’re talking about [smile] but not to worry.

 

I would have thought that everything that has been recorded is already out there……..Hahaha, well I would be happy to consider my artwork being used.

 

As I have said, I am having fun and enjoying creating a YouTube channel.

(The Thing About…)

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCATgMpwD7827_fg8OoXfL4A?view_as=public

A friend of mine said he would post my latest video here – he was under the impression it would get thousands of views lol. 

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We used to ride pushbikes a lot and become Ivan Major and Chris Pusey (Belle Vue Speedway Stars)


Ere Tony ,That means you visited the famous Hyde Road Stadium to watch the Aces Race .
We always would venture into the Funfair that was alongside The Stadium for a go on the Rides, then watch Exeter Falcons lose to Belle Vue at the Speedway with a young Peter Collins in the Aces team .
That Great Old Stadium had some big crowds in the early 70`s ,now its a Car Auction Site aint it ?  [mad]

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Hi Jonny23,
Yes, we were there a lot [smile]  Great memories [smile] The smell of oil (halvoline-I seem to remember) and Jawa bikes!!!...getting sprayed with dirt of the corners...[smile]
We went to Saturday morning training sessions a few times as well [smile]
I seem to also remember ' The mighty Quinn' being played loudly over the tannoy.....
Ian was very conscientous about filling in the race chart in the programme [smile]
It was a great atmosphere [smile]...Not sure what it has become.. Maybe it would make a good subject for a video on my channel [smile]
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Hi Tony I have a rake of fan obsessed questions that you may care to answer ot not.

You were childhood friends but when did you depart for London?

Did you witness the birth of the Manchester New Wave scene?

Did you know the other Ian- Iain Grey?

Did you know Debbie?

Did you know Bernard, Hooky, Steve. Rob Gretton, Gillian Gilbert, Terry Mason or Twinny?

If so what were your impressions of them?

What sort of music did you and Ian listen to?

Did you go to gigs together? If so who did you see?

Any books you remember?

Any films?

Did Ian carry plastic bags of writing around with him when you knew him?

Was he particularly charismatic as a youngster, strong minded or opiniated?

Have you any insights into how his talent as a writer developed? As a performer?

What did you think and feel when you saw Joy Division live?

Did you notice any change in Ian's temperment after he was diagnosed with epilepsy?

Did you meet Annik?

Did you like Joy Division's music, image, legacy?

Did Ian mention any other projects he was interested in outside of Joy Division?

Is there a piece of music or art that you would associate with Ian?

Just thought I'd ask and thanks.


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Hi Gabrial,
Hahaha. You do have many questions [smile]
Some on the answers are in the video. Watch it again..... Go to my channel View-like-subscribe [smile]

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCATgMpwD7827_fg8OoXfL4A?view_as=public

I moved to London in 1976, I did head back home from time to time so I got snapshots of the Manchester scene, but I was mainly discovering the London scene.

I never met or heard about Iain Grey at that time [smile]

Yes I knew Debbie, I introduced her to Ian.
I met people in and around the band but I would not claim to have known them [smile]

The music we listened to: I guess the early records were things like led Zeppelin Jethro Tull..incredible string band..curved air..the stones...Hendrix... Experience and band of gypsys ... Leonard Cohen...Bob Dylan...velvet underground....Lou reed....moving into: mc5..frank Zappa.... New York dolls...the stooges....Bowie... Roxy... Eno....
These are just off the top of my head... There were many more....

We did see many bands together.... I guess the first was a Hyde park free concert....we met Bowie once at the free trade hall... He gave us a broken guitar string.... And a broken drum stick [smile]. We saw led Zeppelin ... Lou reed....iggy pop....again many more but those listed are just off the top of my head....

We all carried plastic bags..... Style of the time, but they usually held records in them....those days Ian kept notes/writing in a ring binder [smile]

Ian was a loyal brother to me......decades fills me with a sense of Ian.....All the young dudes-Mott the hoople......reminds me of those times [smile]

Hope that goes some way in answering your questions [smile]

Do watch the video again.... I think you missed some of the story [smile]

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCATgMpwD7827_fg8OoXfL4A?view_as=public

Regards

Tony
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Tony,
Hi from Russia.
Welcome to board.

It's a little strange but types on album covers looks very modern for 1979.
But I can misunderstand text in video.. of course.

Sorry for my English.

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Hmmmm..... ?? (Scratches head) Yeah, it's all a bit odd.... a month or two ago, "twentyfourhours" rambled on at great and obsessive length about his proposed alternative edition of U.P., which he envisioned in a gatefold sleeve, and I recall that he wanted the sleeve to contain photos of certain letters apparently written by IC (his posts have since been deleted, presumably by the site admins). ...And now, suddenly up pops this Youtube vid. Look at the background from 04:13 to 04:22 - are these the letters which "24H" referred to? I've just googled some images of Ian's writing (setlists, lyrics) and they mostly look like Ian scribbled stuff down quite fast, joining up several letters, with a very free-flowing, fast motion. The handwriting on the video just doesn't look quite the same, to my eyes at least. The writing is slow and laboured, and some of the characters don't match with other examples of Ian's writing. Plus (and it's hard to explain this precisely) the letters (in the vid) seem too...concise? They don't contain anything which cannot be readily inferred from what we already know, there are no bits of text which made me think "wonder what he meant by that", or, y'know, "wonder who Clare was? probably someone they both knew, I suppose". That kind of thing. They lack that touch of ... randomness.
Of course, I could be wrong, and if I am then I unreservedly apologise to Mr Nuttall. However, I think it's only to be expected that when you put stuff up on the internet, then other people must be free to question and evaluate its authenticity, especially when it pertains to bands such as JD, in which there has always been a huge market for bootleggers and so forth. (Remember the "In the studio with Martin Hannett" recordings? Created a huge hulabaloo, still being flogged on Ebay for £50 a shot as we speak, yet it's all a complete fake). Nope, sorry, but in my opinion, I'm not convinced about this. I say this is "twentyfourhours" continuing with his obsession.

It's very difficult to write a post like this, because obviously I'm thinking, if this really is genuine, then I will be causing offence to Mr Nuttall by writing this, and I don't want or intend to cause offence to anyone. But how am I supposed to know for sure? All I can do is say that this is my opinion. In the words of John Lydon, I could be wrong, I could be right. And if I'm proved wrong beyond all reasonable doubt then I'll come back and admit it, but I don't want to feel duty-bound to have to "do penance" to anyone just for stating my opinion, I hope that's acceptable to all.

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Enjoyed the videos. Text elements too succinct to be twentyfourhours from this board, I'd expect.

Glad the sleeve we know happened. We are short, space-time is long, the UP sleeve manages a nice meet-up in between.
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Hi Fage,

 The images are from 1978/79 but I added the text purely for the video. J

 Изображения от 1979 году но я добавил текст чисто для видео.

 

 

Hi Recording Silence,

 Having read through your post, I can only say that I believe you are ‘overthinking’ it.

 I am not offended by your post.

I have no idea who Twentyfourhours is.

I have no knowledge or interest in an alternative UP.

I am merely starting up a You Tube channel ‘The Thing About…’ as a personal project.

My son thought this topic would be a good one to make a video about.

 

 

AZ Escapee,

 

I’m happy that you enjoyed the videos J

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Oh, my god! I can't believe it's really you, Tony! This is ACE!!!! [smile]

Greetings from Brazil!

I have one question about Ian:

Was he a fan of other post punk bands? I know he saw Bauhaus live, and had the Bela Lugosi's Dead single. What about bands like Siouxsie & The Banshees, Adam and the Ants, Wire, OMD, The Cure, Public Image Ltd, etc.


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Hi Layne1727 [smile]

I'm afraid I cannot give you a definitive answer...between 76 and 79 we only met up a few times during each of those years, and mostly chatted about what we were doing....I don't think he embraced many bands of that time.

Did you check out my YouTube channel ? (sorry to be boring)...

There is a growing number of Videos to see [smile]

Try this one [smile]

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Hi Layne1727 [smile]

I'm afraid I cannot give you a definitive answer...between 76 and 79 we only met up a few times during each of those years, and mostly chatted about what we were doing....I don't think he embraced many bands of that time.

Did you check out my YouTube channel ? (sorry to be boring)...

There is a growing number of Videos to see [smile]

Try this one [smile]



You are not being boring, I love your videos, and I've watched all of them since your Unknown Pleasures upload. You got a new subscriber! The video about art performance is really disturbing in such a beautiful way (this may sound a bit odd lol)! Keep it going [thumb]

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Thanks Layne,  I hope you enjoy the next video [smile]  and thanks for subscribing.....If I met the boss of YouTube, I'd call him a F***King C***t for not putting my videos on the home page...hahahahaha [smile]

I will keep creating and pushing, thanks for the encouragement [smile]
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