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Two takes I made for "Dead Souls," warts and all. Just guitar - no bass or drums and I'm not good enough at guitar yet to play and sing the song at the same time.

Listened to the Still version as a reference on my I-Pod while I did these. Know that I play it with the one step up, not the pitch-corrected, slower version.

Both takes differ. Live, the band would always improvise a little bit. Sometimes Stephen would do an extra drum roll, or Bernard would skip a few measures and get right to the chorus riff...stuff like that. I follow that philosophy of improvisation religiously. It's no fun playing a song the exact same way every time. It'd get boring, otherwise.

Please listen and tell me what you think. It's very bare-bones and I make a handful of mistakes (take 2 is better in this regard), but it was still fun. [biggrin]

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I like it. The only thing that doesn't sound right to me - supposing that you just wanted to play it the way Sumner did - is the third chord of the chorus (00:51).
It makes the difference between ordinary rock and Joy Division/Hannett.

On the studio version there are at least two guitar tracks, one most of the times far less distorted.
It always fascinated me that Joy Division were on some songs so close to ordinary rock - and the guitar on Dead Souls is an example - but even then managed to sound completely different.
The drums on Dead Souls are one of the reasons, but the guitar, too.
You might just have used a virtual amp or distortion preset from your recording device (the Tascam?) or foot-pedal.
Don't get frustrated if you don't get many replies here. Besides people who play an instrument - I'm a bassplayer - people just listening to music might not be interested in just listening to one track of a song without all the other instruments.
Even if Steven Morris would post the drum track to LWTU on this forum, he wouldn't get many replies, I assume.

Dirk

P.S. You play/overtake some of the bass parts at the end. Sumner didn't do this, 'cause Hook wouldn't allow him to do so!

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Nah, lol. I definitely took some liberties with the guitar riff. Not to knock Bernie's playing, of course. [smile]

On tabs that I see online, the chorus guitar goes high, then low, then high again. I listen to the recording, and during the chorus riff, the bass becomes the prevalent sound you hear - it goes high, then low, then lower. I tried to do the correct guitar riff, but it just would never sound good to me, so I decided to do the full descending, as the bass does. For variety, I start doing Hooky's final riff at the end. The song on guitar is otherwise really just the same two or three chords again and again strummed differently; not much room for improvisation.

I am using the most basic guitar and amp possible. A Fender Strat beginner and a Frontman 10G amp. I HATE the guitar and amp - the sound is very limited. The only real fun I have when playing it is to have the gain turned up all the way. At least the distortion is fun to hear. Bernard's guitar had a much cleaner sound on most of the studio songs, "Dead Souls" being one of them.

Thanks for the comment!

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How long have you been playing the guitar for, Wallflower? It sounds good. A lot better than I could do! Ha ha. I play bass guitar, keyboard, and I've got this funny little flute-like thing called an ocarina, which I just play a few Zelda tunes on, and I sing as well, and recently, since I started doing music at college, and there's been no point in taking my bass home since I've had to use it pretty much every day, I just started learning chords on my brother's guitar.

That guitar cover sounded great. I certainly couldn't do that first time, not even second time - I can just about play the bassline to Dead Souls. 

I think electric guitars are slightly better than electric basses, as you can hear a guitar unplugged - with an electric bass, it needs an amp pretty much all the time. 

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Thank you very much, JDcat4!

I have been playing since December 2012.

I've always wanted to get an ocarina. Saria's Song and the Song of Healing...man...then there's actually another video game where the main protagonist plays an ocarina. It's called "Lunar". Good tunes to learn in that one, as well.

There are acoustic basses, as well. Krist Novoselic used one in Nirvana's Unplugged performance.

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Yeah, ocarinas are cool. [biggrin] Mine's an alto ocarina [just like my voice, which is one thing I don't like about myself - I wish I had a high voice, but I don't.] I can play Saria's Song, Zelda's Lullaby and Epona's Song, but the next one I'm going to try and learn is the Song of Time. [biggrin] I got mine off Amazon for just over £30, and it's a good quality ocarina and it's dark blue and it's got the triforce on the mouthpiece part of the ocarina, just like the ocarina of time in the game. [biggrin]



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