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Mark E. Smith and The Fall, both from Manchester but I've never heard either band refer to acknowledge the other. I can only imagine that by 1980, Ian would have met or come across Mark E. Smith on a gig or something?
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It seems that they do not like much each other. I meant Hooky!
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Joy Division played on the same bill as The Fall at the 'Stuff The Superstars Special' at the Mayflower Club, 28 July 1979. The Fall came on just before The Distractions, who were headlining; JD appeared sixth after Frantic Elevators and the mighty Foreign Press. And I do recall an interview from, I think, Sounds in 1978 where JD were discussing The Fall. I seem to remember their name coming up and Ian asking Mick Middles (if it was him, my memory is appalling) "Do you like The Fall?" and he replied "yeah, my favourite band in fact." Then Rob Gretton said something like "I don't know about them, I really don't." It's online at http://www.rocksbackpages.com but you gotta subscribe, sod that. I've definitely got it at home in A History In Cuttings, I'll try and get a full transcript up.
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http://www.joydiv.org/short12.htm
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That is mental. I cannot believe it.
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Got it. T'was in Sounds, 18 November 1978 and my memory served me correctly for once, was written by Mick Middles. I'm not going to upload a complete scan as I don't want to antagonize the moderators with copyright shit, but here's a snippet of the article relating to The Fall:

Have you played in London at all?
Rob: "No, never. It's been a conscious thing really, we want to wait a while until we have more things on record. Actually, there could well be something in the near future, but I can't go into that."
Would it be fair to suggest that you are as near to Heavy Metal as you are to New Wave?
Rob: "I really couldn't say, but we are the only band in Manchester who have not turned towards pop. Would you agree?"
What about The Fall?
Rob: "Oh, yeah I forgot about them."
Ian: "Do you like The Fall?"
Yeah, my favourite band in fact.
Rob: "Really, I dunno about them. They are like us in one respect because they don't pamper the audience. I don't see why you should pamper the audience."

One other spurious Fall connection: both them and JD appeared at Leeds Futurama Sci-Fi Festival in September 1979, but Joy Division played on Saturday and The Fall on Sunday, so guess it doesn't really count. I do remember via eavesdropping at early New Order gigs The Fall were never taken very seriously by fans of the former; in fact they were almost a joke...but very much discussed. I bought the 10" Slates And Slags mini-LP to see what all the noise was about and ended up completely baffled, didn't get it at all. But maybe that's just me. After all, this is the same bloke who caught Oasis playing in a tiny Leeds pub in 1993 and afterwards asked for his £3.50 back. And he still would.

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The Slates EP really isn't the place to start, Hex Enducation Hour is their first masterpiece of and This Nation's Saving Grace is another fan favorite.
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Thanks for that 350, do you think they were still his favorite band in 1979/1980?
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Couldn't say....but JD certainly seemed to claim his affections later on. Just wanted to mention, I caught The Fall live at York University in April 1982 or 1983, not sure which - and I honestly thought Mark E Smith was going to be the next casualty, he looked and sounded so pissed off. An odd night to be sure...and Sisters Of Mercy were supporting, just atrocious.
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A further addition: The Fall's second-ever gig at The Squat in Manchester, 3 June 1977, also featured The Drones, The Negatives, The Worst and Warsaw, a band also in its infancy; this was their third live appearance. Some evening this must have been, I reckon!
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I believe there's a bit of a myth surrounding the like / dislike between the Fall and Joy Division, their paths didn't cross that often for this to be, which can be said of a lot of Manchester bands at the time. They certainly wouldn't support each other on any gigs mainly because they were 'equals' in the distance they'd traveled.  They didn't dwell on each others careers simply because they had their own to concentrate on. 


 


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 Last night of the Electric Circus has to count, surely?
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