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why antiquated?any confirmation?
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"I've owned all these from new though so they got dropped into a poly inner [sleeve] immediately on purchase so no hairlines from the card inners. That's always the killer with this type of packaging; the window to save a record from a card inner is very short IME."

lolol ... sounds like the kind of knob that buys US $485 wooden ... err, knobs  [crazy] [rofl]


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http://money.uk.msn.com/investing/guides/alternative-investments/photos.aspx?cp-documentid=155175074&page=4
check out the others too.....i bet some of the members here own one or two?

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Some nice curios there, dmxithough I don't count all that Record Store Day crap. Deliberately-manufactured rarities are not rarities, they're ploys, and pretty cynical ones at that.

But to answer yer query about that list - besides 'UP' I've got a mono original of the Stones' 'Their Satanic Majesties Request' with 3-D cover, top little album despite what the 'experts' say (it urinates all over 'Sgt Pepper', not a particularly difficult task, it has to be said). I salvaged it from a box of vinyl my dad was throwing out in the 1970s (he was a reviewer for the Yorkshire Evening Post and Sheffield Star, got all his records for free, the sod); amongst others there were also copies of The Hollies' 'Evolution' and 'Sallies Fforth' by The Rainbow Ffolly, another brace of lost psych masterworks. Being a 'rock'n'roll purist' there was no way he'd tolerate "all that poncey shite" on the same shelf as Gene Vincent & The Bluecaps' 'Bluejean Bop!', 'The Sound Of Billy Fury' and 'Giant' by Buddy Holly...so I ended up with this weird little collection.

Incidentally the so-called 'extremely rare promotional padded silk sleeve version' of 'Satanic Majesties', valued at £2000 in that article, does not exist - even the Stones' archivist-in-residence Bill Wyman has never seen a copy.

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I've got a 3-D "Satanic Majesties Request".  Sadly it's not in the best of nick.  Still good to have one though. [smile]

As for the rest ... a pox on this Record Store Day exclusives/reissues rubbish!  [mad]  [nono]

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[$_12]
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-Order-Fine-Time-Rare-Irish-Translucent-Pressing-Irish-Press-Joy-Division-/151258230084?pt=UK_Records&hash=item2337b16d44

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@ dmxi: not really a true confirmation but in my opinion the tendencies turns to the solid black one and i prevailing see only dealers push the 'tr. red' one, only for a good bargain!

 

 

 

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There's no such thing as an Irish pressing, of any Factory records.
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for me these.....

Side A - FACT 10-INSIDE! A A PORKY PRIME CUT - STEPG?

Side B - FACT-10-OUTSIDE! B THIS IS THE WAY A PORKY PRIME CUT
..........notations are the first-pressing indicators & those with additions like s-'this & s-'that' are followers,imo.
that at least makes sense to me.


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...really? exist copies without extra etchings?

i think even the first plates have (whatever) such special notes... [cool]

 

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The S numbers are most likely stamper numbers, all made from the same 'mother' plates.

They would make multiples so they could speed up the whole run on various machines. This may well have been true on even the very first run (which appears to have been 10,000, check P95 of the Rob Gretton notebook).

Anyone truly obsessed with having the very first run should seek out white label versions, they are always the very first, though they will exist for each cut made.
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such 'promo' white labels could really help, in my opinion the WL from the 1980 (2nd) run even more (heard every run generate WL's) because then we have maybe a Sx (or whatever) number/etchings what we can funnel to...

...has everyone a WL of UP

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I have a white label UP, but it's not the first pressing, it only has "FACT 10" hand-written on one label and no printed sleeve/inner.  

Matrix/runout:

FACT 10-OUTSIDE-2     Rc       THIS IS THE WAY

(the "Rc" bit is faint, but I think that's what it says)

FACT 10-INSIDE-2        R        STEP

(the "R" is positioned below the  "FACT 10-OUTISDE-2" bit, it looks quite like an "R" to me, but it's very faint and it could be something else?)

Heavy, at least compared with the translucent red version, regular black vinyl.



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i have the same notations like eriks but with regular labels & it came in a textured sleeve.i have 4 UP versions & one with transl.vinyl,rounded corners & the notations mentioned in my previous post.
same with closer...two transl.,one with textured sleeve & round corners the other glossy thick sleeve with squared corners.the translucent shine differs,the first is a reddish see-through & the second has a deeper,thicker shine .the notations,besides the a1,have a 'Bc' the second just a 'C' a quarter radius away from the usual etchings.no 's-x' or other stamper signifiers.so,these seem to be the first as a new stamper get's a marking to keep the 'books' straight,if you will....& i know i'm gonna get slaughtered for the last line>smirk<!...so,let those 'vinyl-crafted-axes' swing!

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...naa - no axe - i let you in mind the trans. one is first [wink]

i'm also fine with my solid black one -  so, what the f***

 

 

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irish pressing?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/THE-SMITHS-THE-BOY-WITH-THE-THORN-IRISH-PRESSING-TRANSLUCENT-MORRISSEY-IRISH-/251489790611?pt=UK_Records&hash=item3a8df5aa93

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 I reckon the 'Made In England' text on the label says otherwise. Though it's probably made in France at MPO anyway.
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i know[redface]ff-topic!...but look what this smith w/lb is fetching:
http://www.ebay.de/itm/261435109722?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

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sorry dmxi at first i wouldn't go on with this topic, but because a note of a seller from GB i will post his information about his UP after i asked him about his matrix numbers:
there is noting to see about extra etchings, the item would purchased dec. 1980 and it's shining red/brown if you held it against strong light!

also i find an old file with scan's of sold ebay item's:

  • i have had a couple of people asking me if this is the translucent like my copy of closer. no, it's not. the translucent unkown pleaseures is believed to orginate from late 1980 around time of the atmosphere 12". the true 1st pressing of this album is solid black.
  • translucent copy of UP with stamper codes: AJ/AK

and i forget, even on the factoryrecords.org site are the extra etchings mentioned:

LP 1st edition:
~ FACT 10-Inside!-A, S-23, A Porky Prime Cut, Step
~ FACT-10-Outside!-B, S-21, A Porky Prime Cut, This Is The Way


...to prevent strange comments of course a customer can purchase in 1980 a copy from 1979 and i now all of these people can be wrong but only to inform the crowd [cool]

 

 

 

 

 

 

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hi proto,from the factory link you supplied:

FACT 10 JOY DIVISION Unknown Pleasures
ALBUM
5/79 (6/79)

LP: UK 1979 (Factory FACT 10) [test pressing]
LP: UK 1979 (Factory FACT 10) *
CS: UK 1981 (Factory FACT 10C) **
CS: UK 1985 (Factory FACT 10C) [boxed]
CD: UK 1986 (Factory FACD 10) ***

3:28 Disorder
4:43 Day Of The Lords
3:00 Candidate
4:23 Insight
4:45 New Dawn Fades
3:53 She's Lost Control
3:50 Shadowplay
2:35 Wilderness
2:12 Interzone
5:52 I Remember Nothing

LP 1st edition

~ FACT 10-Inside!-A, S-23, A Porky Prime Cut, Step
~ FACT-10-Outside!-B, S-21, A Porky Prime Cut, This Is The Way


2nd edition

~ FACT 10-Inside-2, RC, This Is The Way
~ FACT-10-Outside!-2, RC, Step


3rd edition

~ FACT 10 A2, Townhouse, GG
~ FACT 10 B2, Townhouse, GG


CD

~ FACD10 MPO 01 M.P.O. France 11 Compact Disc

* First edition has textured Garrod & Lofthouse sleeve, and rounded-corner (card stock) inner sleeve; second / later editions have (variable) textured sleeves without the G&L mark. There are initial pressings on red-tinged vinyl.
** Early editions do not have barcode on spine.
*** First edition with car carry case (album artwork w/textured sleeve).

Production: MARTIN HANNETT

Design: PETER SAVILLE & JOY DIVISION

Notes: There is an original large promo poster for 'Unknown Pleasures' done for the tour with the Buzzcocks. (This can be seen on the [15 Sep 1979] 'Something Else' TV appearance.) There also seems to be an (official) A1 sized poster.

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FACT 25 JOY DIVISION Closer
ALBUM
7/80

10": UK 1980 (Factory FACT 25) [one-sided acetate] *
LP: UK 1980 (Factory FACT 25) [test pressing]
LP: UK 1980 (Factory FACT 25) **
CS: UK 1980 (Factory FACT 25C) ***
CS: UK 1985 (Factory FACT 25C) [boxed] ****
CD: UK 1986 (Factory FACD 25) *****

6:05 Atrocity Exhibition
2:52 Isolation
4:45 Passover
3:53 Colony
4:06 A Means To An End
5:50 Heart & Soul
4:26 24 Hours
6:04 The Eternal
6:08 Decades

First edition

~ FACT 25 A1 I, Old Blue?
~ FACT 25 B-1, AA


Second edition

~ FACT 25 A1, AT, Old Blue?
~ FACT 25 B-1, BC


CD

~ FACD 25 :.: Mastered By Nimbus

* "Decades" only.
** Two editions: First edition in matte, "suede-finish" card-stock (inner and outer) sleeves; second/later editions in thinner, plain (non-"suede"), glossier finish (inner and outer) sleeves. There are initial pressings on red-tinged vinyl.
*** Early editions do not have barcode on spine.
**** With a tri-fold insert.
***** First edition with 'car carry case' (album artwork).

...& no mention from 80ies pressings....

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ohhhh dmxi - i know the fact on that site - the 'initial' thing is discussed before (initial must not mean at the first run) and it can't be that so much items was only pressed in 1979 there MUST be a second pressing run (as mentioned in wiki) in 1980 and THIS is the challenge to separate (all said also before [rolleyes] )...

...the reddish one can also be easy pressed in the 'atmosphere' and 'closer' time as JD was slightly famous [frown] and the maybe missing extra etchings didn't impress me!

with the closer thing - i have one 'First edition in matte, "suede-finish" card-stock (inner and outer) sleeves' in solid black - but the 'initial 1st pressing in red' is in this case OK for me, because the time (1980) fits as they where pressed in the run with the red UP and atmosphere 12" [biggrin]

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hi proto,the problem is that as long no official or insider documents/knowledge surfaces we're forced to go by deductive reasoning,ie detective-like gut-feeling measures.my statement posted above (added etchings like s-xxx,etc.) was a 'GROAN' of resignation & self-adherence to this issue....so,worth a penny (if you go by ebay standards for 'opinions'...which make 90% compared to actual knowledge!) as i just was fed up of nothing clarifying regarding this topic (which just seems to concern us)°!°
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...what you mean with 'resignation & self-adherence' is maybe by all statements above and starts in my opinion with that rumour the transl. pressing will be the 1st one and at the beginning of this forum you was really pleased with all the 'detective' stuff [rolleyes]

okay, so we will wait for an insider...

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i'm getting old,proto...which explains lacking enthusiasm (don't take me too serious)>smirk< but the greying allround takes it's toll.one day we'll get confirmation but 'till then.....?
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