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sorry to revive this topic, but would any curious/serious collectors care to compare their various edition etchings with the accompanying vinyl colour,ie. if differing vinyl status (transl. or plain black) bare the same ominous stampers (like s-38 & such) to see if this can help dating/eliminating firsts from seconds?
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closer - translucent - a2/b2 - townhouse

http://www.ebay.com/itm/JOY-DIVISION-Closer-FACTORY-LP-VERY-RARE-ORIGINAL-UK-TRANSLUCENT-PRESSING-KBD-/291387220075?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item43d808206b

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durutti repress with similiar laquer:
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/251889612107?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&fromMakeTrack=true

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The Rare Record Price guide shows the transluscent version as £80 and the black version as £50. Just for information.
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fuck me irish style!never seen one of these:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/JOY-DIVISION-LOVE-WILL-TEAR-US-APART-IRISH-PRESSING-TRANSLUCENT-/252060345170?hash=item3aaff7a352
[$_57]
[$_57]

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Some guy talked about it in a thread. That's not that impressive from what I see, I'm kinda disapointed (Plus it's 25 bucks each 5 minutes per side xDDD).
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had a browse through discogs today and this seems to be a new addition to the UP info:
Textured outer sleeve; printed inner sleeve with rounded corners.
Vinyl is transluscent red when held against a strong light.

Note this version has runouts according printed labels and sleeve.
Side A is OUTSIDE (black label). Side B is INSIDE (white label).
But, to add some confusion, the metalworker, assigned "Outside" to B and "Inside" to A in the runouts. Nevertheless the runouts reflect the actual track order
Labels have a "Double Dip" with the elevated ring close to the runouts, characteristic for Tranco Limited pressings.

heres Tranco Limited:

Tranco Limited

Profil:
Vinyl pressing plant and Manufacturing Division of Pye Records (Sales) Ltd. Located in Mitcham, Surrey, UK.
Renamed to Precision Records & Tapes Limited in 1980 and closed in May 1981.

Characteristic for Tranco LPs is the elevated ring close to the runouts.
Generally, pressings can appear translucent (red) when held against strong light source. This is due to a different vinyl formulation, unique to the UK.

The solid center 7"s usually have a milling around the labels (similar to EMI pressings).

Note: While it's safe to assume that all Pye UK releases were pressed by Tranco, not all Pye masterings were necessarily pressed by Tranco. Pye Studios did a lot of contract mastering for other labels that were then pressed somewhere else, e.g. by CBS. The plant itself is not identifiable by characteristic matrix etchings or stamps.
Pye Records also had a 50% share in the Carlton Productions plant in Ireland until July 1972, where most of the records for the Irish market were pressed. Less
Mutterlabel:
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132 Western Road
Mitcham
Surrey CR4 3UT
England
[obsolete]

haven't seen this info before so i thought i'll put it up here for what it's worth & archiving.

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it's adding more confusion as discogs now lists three translucent versions (just for the UK):
Unknown Pleasures(LP, Album, Tra)FactoryFACT 10UK1979 
 Unknown Pleasures(LP, Album, Tra)FactoryFACT 10UK1979 
 Unknown Pleasures(LP, Album, Tra)FactoryFACT 10UK1979
hope the links work...
      
       
      

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hey, i had peace with this topic until saturday on the utrecht record fair [redface] i saw a factory sheet (at peter hook's auction exhibition) what shows the sales figures until 31/12/1984 of the early label releases, there is noted:
unknown pleasures 129.539
closer: 164.169
still: 123.844
still (special): 18.079
atmosphere 12": 96.266
transmission 7": 66.507
transmission 12": 54.646
love will tear us apart 7": 252.590
love will tear us apart 12": 139.162

hope it's interesting to the community and off course the figures include all pressing runs of each output & sorry, the NO sale figures are not as important and i have no nerve to write it down for the moment, would like to add my pix, sadly i didn't check it out to add it here [mad]

furthermore, i held the first time a translucent UP in hand (a dealer had one for 150 EUR in overall VG++ condition) and i must confess it looks good and equal to mine only i think the vinyl is slightly lighter, but i had no one to compare – it's only a feeling! many collectors means the translucent effect comes because the thinner vinyl, it make sense! on the run off i could not read all the notes because the scratches on the record and the bad light in the hall, but i mentioned 'this ...' and can't find (because the light etc.) any matrix endings with Sxx or Wxx...
...it makes me crazy not to fizzle out if they pressed really 5.000 on the pye/tranco (?) pressing plan and another 5.000 on the WEA plant in drayton (mentioned in discogs) or they made in 1980 a huge pressing action including closer and atmosphere 12" etc.!

on that fair i had the chance to ask hooky, but i would not stress him more as already and maybe he would laugh to that anorak stuff...
...he sells his entire memorability and plenty vinyl (SS, AIFL 7" & 12", factory sample) but no UP or closer, i would die for a look at his copy [wink]

 

PS: i tried dmxi link above to the UP's and further link to tranco led me read, maybe this are old news [idea]

Characteristic for Tranco LPs is the elevated ring close to the runouts.
Generally, pressings can appear translucent (red) when held against strong light source. This is due to a different vinyl formulation, unique to the UK.


...but mine solid black has even this elevated ring...

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I nearly made a massive beginners mistake...when asked to identify an original UP pressing,i flew over ebay offers and picked this sale :
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/JOY-DIVISION-UNKNOWN-PLEASURES-1979-FIRST-PRESSING-FANTASTIC-CONDITION/143185978306?_mwBanner=1&ul_ref=https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/e11051.m43.l1123/7?euid=5ff787729d1944d8a49d83e4d6c754b6&bu=43817289312&loc=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F143185978306&sojTags=bu=bu&srcrot=e11051.m43.l1123&rvr_id=0&rvr_ts=baebf90b1690a99085a0e019fffa60d4&ul_noapp=true&pageci=cc283cae-f6ac-4ff3-a49a-88dc02453d46&redirect=mobile

Flying over the matrix details i missed the lynntone suffix and only saw "a porky prime cut"+ a & b,with the seller stating "one of the first 10,000".most here surely know its a 1981 pressing:
https://www.discogs.com/de/Joy-Division-Unknown-Pleasures/release/5782758

Thank god no dammage was done and i now have to get spectacles as per wish of my wife([wink]no shit)!
The seller was contacted and has taken the sale down.he seemed to be genuine and as i learnt the hardway,everyone can be mistaken.....but for me ,it was a kick in the head.

Special thanks to eagle eye RJ10!!!!a future expert in the making...he'll be giving us advice soon[wink]👍

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Quote:
Originally Posted by dmxi
I nearly made a massive beginners mistake... when asked to identify an original UP pressing, i flew over eBay offers and picked this sale :

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/JOY-DIVISION-UNKNOWN-PLEASURES-1979-FIRST-PRESSING-FANTASTIC-CONDITION/143185978306?_mwBanner=1&ul_ref=https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/e11051.m43.l1123/7?euid=5ff787729d1944d8a49d83e4d6c754b6&bu=43817289312

Flying over the matrix details i missed the Lyntone suffix and only saw "A Porky Prime Cut" + a & b, with the seller stating "one of the first 10,000". most here surely know it's a 1981 pressing:

https://www.discogs.com/de/Joy-Division-Unknown-Pleasures/release/5782758


I would have thought the squared-off inner sleeve would have been the tip-off ...

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First pressings came in both,if you go to the start of this thread you'll find the big debate if black or translucent vinyl,squared or rounded ois....
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https://www.discogs.com/de/Joy-Division-Unknown-Pleasures/master/4805
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As a sidenote,i forgot that this mixture was used later also: [s-l500] 
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-ORDER-Temptation-RARE-TRANSLUCENT-VINYL-PRESS-UK-7-FAC63-Joy-Division/392278905828?hash=item5b55a513e4:g:nLoAAOSwBUtct29Z

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