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http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-33609672.html


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https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ian-curtis-museum


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Crowdfunding initiative to buy Barton Street and turn it into a museum

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ian-curtis-museum

Manchester Evening News article on the Crowdfunding

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/campaign-launched-buy-ian-curtis-8651666#ICID=sharebar_twitter

MEN article highlighting resident's concerns ...

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/former-owner-ian-curtis-house-8657163

I strongly suspect the odd comment about 'parties and seances' is in response to a loaded question. By all accounts Dorothy is a lovely lady and obviously entitled to her opinions. I can't quite imagine her coming out with that statement if she was asked purely for her opinion on a museum!
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Piece in the NME


http://www.nme.com/news/joy-division/82919?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=spectres

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Am I the only one to think that the idea of crowd-funding the house purchase to make it into a museum is a ludicrous idea?

 

Not to mention macabre

 

Anyone who has visited the house knows it is on a housing estate and it’s almost unthinkable that the neighbours wouldn’t object to any planning permission to have a museum there – if only because of the parking situation.

 

 

“…and here we have the death kitchen”

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Nope, you're not the only one bobbydriver...it seems a ludicrous idea to me as well.

The alternative museum plan mentioned in the third link in Marko's post seems a much better idea.
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Too many scams and fake goods on the internet related to JD. I'm not convinced this is actually his house.
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I'm with you Keef, must be a counterfeit house. The doorbell must have a serrated ring!
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I'm with you Keef, must be a counterfeit house. The doorbell must have a serrated ring!

......& hopefully numbered(the house,of course)?

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What gets me about the campaign is that they say that the problems re planning permission can be sorted "easily"  - this is either naive - or extremely inept conning.

However - Dorothy's wish that someone lives in it as a home - she used it as a B&B for several years and she wasn't living there.....

Leave the museum to Macclesfield Heritage to sort out and don't have it at Barton St. The very most I would suggest is a plaque - but is it really necessary?

On other matters - I'm sure I remember reading somewhere that years before Ian - a policeman who lived there committed suicide at the house. Can anyone shed any light on this?

 

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I note in the indiegogo comments that they wish the kitchen to be used as a "staff only" room. Cue the falling away of the elements of JD fans who wanted to spend a little time in THAT room.....
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I can't see any problem with someone's house becoming a museum: Picasso, Dali, Anne Frank all spring to mind but I can see a number of challenges for Zak to overcome. Museums incur ongoing costs and staff need paying. Anyway, good luck to him.

On a different note this has set me wondering which other Joy Division residences are still standing. Anyone?
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"What gets me about the campaign is that they say that the problems re planning permission can be sorted "easily"  - this is either naive - or extremely inept conning."


Agreed, I find the whole thing incredibly naive (don't think it has the slightest chance of happening). Has the organiser(s) stopped to consider the Curtis family thoughts on the matter.  The last thing Macc needs is more moody goth types traipsing through a residential area lighting candles and such like.

Also how does the £30,000 renovation add up?  And what about Hooky's caretaker wages.
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You've got the story confused Lee, although the actual story is subject to debate. See below

http://lwtua.websitetoolbox.com/post/77-barton-street-303941?trail=25

Was this really posted 10 years ago?!!
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The last thing Macc needs is more moody goth types traipsing through a residential area lighting candles and such like.

How so? Sounds like a laugh. I'd love to see a throng of moody goths holding candles filing past my window [biggrin]


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It's been 35 years and nothing was done by authorities of MacClesfield for the memory of Ian. Let's create something special.
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The last thing Macc needs is more moody goth types traipsing through a residential area lighting candles and such like.

How so? Sounds like a laugh. I'd love to see a throng of moody goths holding candles filing past my window [biggrin]



Are there still any goths then? I mean, back in the 90s there were a few fans of Marilyn Manson (and before that perhaps some fans of Sisters of Mercy with the Batcave look), boys with their fingernails painted black and all that. But do English kids today still adopt that look? If so, then why would they want to have that look as Joy Division fans? After all, Ian didn't look a lot like Alice Cooper.
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By 'moody goth types' I don't just mean the origin of the species but sub-genres such as 'Emo' (online transcription: like a Goth, only much less dark and much more Harry Potter) generally - and people who write on each other's skin/clothes. 

I'm not Anti-Goth/Emo, just wouldn't want them hanging round my street or scaring my pets.


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Bernard's thoughts on the idea of a museum being there (and NME mislabels Ian as the lead guitarist):

http://www.nme.com/news/joy-division/83040
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Wow, Bernard was really put on the spot in that video and I think he gave a good balanced answer.

He makes it clear at the beginning that he's basing his opinion on an email and I'm guessing fairly scant information about the whole museum idea. 

The problem with his reservations is he inadvertently gets drawn into the whole "Are Joy Division only famous because of the tragic death of their lead singer?" nonsense.

In my humble opinion the wishes of fans to visit a museum are the same root desires as their wishes to buy Joy Division records. I think that's because we want to celebrate the life and creative force of an inspirational young man. I think it's a positive thing but it appears the media think otherwise.

The whole negative slant is generated from the  idea of a 'good story'. A good story where the tragic events of Ian's final few hours in that house somehow totally negate all the family life, all the songwriting, all the fun depicted in Peter Hook's book, everything that went on before. And that's twisted.

We've all known a number of people who have passed away. People in our families, friends. But we remember them for their lives not how they passed on. What a sad world if everyone only remembered their grandparents for the nature of their deaths. If we spent our whole lives striving to do whatever it is we do but in the knowledge that our only mark on history would be the way we died.

Thankfully that isn't the way of the world. So why is it the way for one of the greatest songwriters of our time?

Ideally Ian Curtis would be alive, healthy, happy, extremely prosperous, and living in California or somewhere glamorous anyway.

And if he was, I would still want to visit he house where he wrote Love Will Tear Us Apart - preferably as a modest and discreet, museum. I'd like to see his original lyrics on the wall in the room where he wrote them and I'd ponder how someone in a this relatively modest terraced house in an ordinary street could come up with such amazing lyrics. I'd like to see this because I don't have that talent.

And what's amazing about Ian Curtis is that his physical environment was so normal and ordinary and yet he wrote some of the deepest emotional lyrics of the last century.

I really would like to stand where he did and try to understand how he did that. 












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I would like to say that I did not become a Joy Division fan 27 years ago because Ian killed himself. The reasons were their music, Ian's lyrics and New Order.
I am not goth, dark or whatever. I am just a normal person who likes good music.
I went to Barton Street 77 in 2002. I visited there to know part of Joy Division's story, not pretending to be a twat handling a candle wearing a black raincoat.
That's me but I cannot speak for the others!



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Maybe, once the museum is there, Barton street will regulary be frequented by ominous figures in black, white, pointy-hooded monks robes, carrying huge frames with Ian pics. Wouldn't that be far more disturbing than a twat in a raincoat?
If the museum thing won't happen, why not persuade the city council to rename Barton Street to Curtis Street? Guess that would be more than enough memorial. Who was Barton anyway?
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I think the whole business is in appallingly bad taste. Shame on these people who want to turn that house into a museum/shrine, call it what you will. 'Touching From A Distance' was an invasion. So was 'Control'. And the jerk-off who nicked his memorial stone, well, lower than whale-faeces, is he not? But this miserable affair takes the bleeding biscuit. It's driving a coach and horses right through his already much-violated privacy. Let the poor bloke sleep peacefully. Never mind where he wrote the songs. A Barton Street museum would be a celebration of his domestic misery, nothing more or less. Who on earth in their right mind wants to enter the place where he was found cold and lifeless in a kneeling position with a washing-line around his throat? Who? If you do, you are sick, my friend. What about the MUSIC? As Lee very intelligently states, a discreet plaque would be far more dignified, and surplus to requirements into the bargain. We all know who Ian is, what he went through (and let it be said immediately I'm not and never have been interested in the latter; it's none of my bloody business) and what he achieved musically. Why can't everyone let it rest there? Museum....HA! 
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There's is some irony in the fact that Ian wanted to be like Jim Morrisson. I guess he got what he wanted, postumously.
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There's is some irony in the fact that Ian wanted to be like Jim Morrisson. I guess he got what he wanted, postumously.


Maybe he got what he wanted.

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