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While I think a permanent Joy Division museum or exhibition is a positive idea (if put together and administered in good taste, taking into consideration the family of Ian Curtis into the bargain) in my opinion having it at 77 Barton Street is macabre in the extreme and is anything but in good taste.

77 Barton Street was the home of Ian and Debbie Curtis (has their privacy not been invaded enough already?) and not the home of Joy Division as an entity.  If a museum or such is to be forthcoming, surely somewhere else that is more suitable (and sensitive) can be found in Macclesfield as a more fitting location.

For myself, it has always been about the music of Joy Division......that is the special thing...nothing else.


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For me, visiting the place he died would feel like rubbernecking at the scene of a car accident. I can't think of better tributes than the music and the lyrics.
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A plaque would be enough.

As for a museum, by all means have a JD museum, but elsewhere in town. The museum should focus on ALL members of the band equally, and in particular, the music THEY ALL made.
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There's this book called "Fotoreportage23 - In search of Ian Curtis" with locations relevant for the entire band. No idea if there are useful locations in the vicinity of key locations. Does anyone out there own this book?
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I agree completely with what truth (and pretty much everyone else) has said. Setting a JD museum up at Barton Street would turn it into more of an Ian Curtis museum, and one in bad taste at that. I can't imagine any of the neighbours appreciating a museum on their doorstep, either. There's just no reason to do it there. Perhaps most importantly, I can't imagine that Ian would've liked his home turned into a profit making exercise, either.
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Well, I decided to contribute to the campaign. I don't think they have a chance of raisiing the money to be honest - but the money raised goes to a good charity so I'm happy with that.
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even if it came into fruition it wouldn't sustain itself all to long due to JD being still pretty indie & a small fan-base that would go to the lengths of 'hiking' to bartonst.!the entrance fee would have to be enormous to make it function & with regards to the neighbors i can't see this not-well-thought-through idea happening.that's my 2 cents.
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I can't see any problem with someone's house becoming a museum: Picasso, Dali, Anne Frank all spring to mind


I'm as big a Joy Division fan as anyone, but all of those were more historically important than Barton St. Especially Anne Frank.

I really don't see how this would work. No-one other than the most ardent fan would be motivated to travel to the site, and a minority of even them more than once. The entry fee as stated would have to be very high, and the place is hardly large enough to make it into a decent exhibition gallery. All this is before considering the family's view on the matter.
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I've been to Elgar's birthplace, and Shakespeare's birthplace, and various other former home museums and monuments. The massive difference being that these people didn't kill themselves at the property. Any attempt to turn 77 Barton Street from an ordinary terraced house in a nondescript street in a fairly sedate town will inevitably be seen as ghoulish, the cult of suicide yet again, a mausoleum for sad emo kids to come and weep at. Totally wrong to me, and disrespectful to Debbie, Natalie and the rest of the band.
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this threads balanced criticism regarding this topic should be used as an argument against the well-meant crowd-funding......maybe we'll see a facsimile of the opinions stated here (or simple quotes)
printed in a newspaper report capturing the doubt in this project by the intentional future 'punters' of said 'tomb/museum' or what you want to call it.

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As a matter of interest looking at the rightmove photos at the start of the thread - which is Ian's writing room ?

Is it the lounge with the TV in now :-

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or is it the Dining Room :-

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....there is still some sky blue paint in the living room (but I guess it has been repainted). The writing room was described as triangular but hard to tell which of these rooms that description fits. Also which side of the front door was the writing room on Left or Right (viewed facing the house from the road) ?






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It seems to me Ian left his own memorial to himself in each and every song he ever sang. He put his whole being, his whole life in each song. How can a house, however of whatever historical value, be considered an adequate substitute for that?
Any museum should be devoted to Joy Division, because that's what they all were together and that is most important, in my opinion.
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which side of the front door was the writing room on Left or Right (viewed facing the house from the road) ?


Left Hand Side. Debbie refers to this room in `Touching from a Distance ` as the Blue room or Ians writing room.This Room therefore is the Odd shaped room in the larger picture,The one with a bookcase of sorts in one corner and a pane of glass in the other !


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There's this book called "Fotoreportage23 - In search of Ian Curtis" with locations relevant for the entire band. No idea if there are useful locations in the vicinity of key locations. Does anyone out there own this book?


I own this Book and its crap .
Links below for JDC Reviews

http://lwtua.websitetoolbox.com/post/fotoreportage23-in-search-of-ian-curtis-hardcover-4877238?highlight=fotoreportage23&pid=41769585#post41769585

http://lwtua.websitetoolbox.com/post/fotoreportage23-in-search-of-ian-curtis-review-4816811?highlight=fotoreportage23&pid=1270927799#post1270927799


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Thanks for the info on the rooms Tim.
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It's been bought by someone thinking of turning it into a museum!
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By strange coincidence I have just bought a museum that I am looking to turn into a replica of Ian Curtis's old house.
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It sold

http://www.joydiv.org/

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Terrible news.

Looks like some poor couple have had their dreams of a decent Macc start-up home dashed for business interests. Tacky!
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Absofuckinglutely!

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/home-ian-curtis-could-become-5727407

He puts it out in a press release - he talks of it as an "exciting project" - he gazumped a private buyer - and he already owns the First National Bk building in Texas and Mozart's dad's piano!

"Exciting project"!!!!! I don't think Barton St residents will be too amused!!!!  I wonder if they can appeal for the sale to be blocked?????

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"One of the musical heroes of my youth"

Google translate from Business speak into English

"I've grown out of all that sad adolescent rubbish now I'm 48 but I still could make a shedload out of this"

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I don't see the word 'could' in the translation. If he sees business opportunities, that's not to say it will be easy to transform it into serious cash. Does it mean he has the blessing or cooperation of anyone related to Ian? Okay, so he gets the house. Now what? A museum? To be 'filled' with what? Is he also going to buy all the photos by Kevin Cummings and Anton Corbijn? Are there still any of Ian's pants to be put on display? A microphone perhaps? I'm just saying. For now it's still just a house like any other on Barton Street,
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Come on , say it, someone will try to kill themselves in this house. [rolleyes]
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Mweh, you can't re-heat a soufflé :-/
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Come on , say it, someone will try to kill themselves in this house. [rolleyes]


For sure. These kids scare me!

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