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darkdubh

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Currently reading Cosey Fanni Tutti's biography Art Sex Music. To say that Genesis P Orridge comes across badly is an understatement. There's no mention of Joy Division and Ian Curtis in it but it piqued my curiosity about P Orridge's part in the JD story. How close were they really and has anyone else corroborated P Orridges claims that s/he was the last person to speak to Ian (well obviously Ian can't) and rung various people in Manchester asking them to check on Ian on the night he killed himself? Given that Genesis has some form in making questionable claims (that he invented the term Acid House for one) would it cast doubt on some of the sequence of events around Ians death?
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I read somewhere that g.p.o was accused of paedophilia & that a known lawyer gave him/her shelter....then a bit later that said lawyer got charged with the same accusation. Could not find anything definitive yet but will dig further to verify or debunk...but still, he always alerted my senses & not because of the eccentricity.
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Was that in relation to the Channel 4 Dispatches programme in the early 90's? A supposed video of child abuse turned out to be a Dereck Jarman video depicting adults in engaged in S&M. It was up on YT some time back, strong stuff but there were no children involved.
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Nah, supposedly recent & in the US.trying to get in touch with the source but with the high profile offenders out there (uk and us) a lot is being hushed up but more and more is leaking .it's vital that the public does not let this slide as the cesspit is not in some remote area where you have no control over....it's right under our noses.first confirm, second expose and third is bloody hands due to action that needs be taken.
Sorry, didn't want to go this far off topic.

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From memory, I think Paula P Orridge was 15 or 16 years old when she first got together with Gen  ... and i think there was some supposed press "furore" about the 'open' style living arrangement at their house at the time ... that was talked about in one of the 'Vague' fanzine features on PTV in the late 80's

I think the press also picked up on some of the first PTV video releases ... circa 82-86  ... like the 'First Transmissions' and '8 Transmissions 8' videos ... that tried to push limits .. and were a strange mix of something and nothing.

Remember that video rental was at a high early 1980's ... and sex, death, horror movies were all fine ... but that PTV videos were somehow harming humanity itself lol
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I've been dying to read Cosey's new book, myself.

I believe sometime before Ian died he sang one of his favorite TG songs to Genesis, "Weeping," over the phone, but this story that Genesis called him the night before his death is bullshit. The two were artistic friends, and you know what? I bet from artist to artist Ian absolutely confided in Genesis about his emotional turmoil, since he knew none of his band mates or drinking lads would understand, but they were not buddy-buddy. I think that's just Genesis infringing on JD's history a bit.

Regarding the PTV videos, when Peter "Sleazy" Christopherson first directed and made them, their content was legal to be shown in the British public. Years after he and lover John Balance left PTV to concentrate on Coil (the best band ever, having beat JD for me a few years ago), public indecency laws changed, meaning Sleazy's videos could no longer be shown legally. He warned Genesis of this fact, but Genesis did not listen. The police arrested Genesis at some PTV show and he apparently blamed John and Sleazy, much to their chagrin. This was fresh in their minds, even right before TG reunited in March or April 2004. Even if he said otherwise in interviews, many Coil affiliates believe Sleaz only rejoined the group for the money, since John had made a habit of blowing all their tour money on drugs and trinkets starting years before.

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