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Spiritinthesky

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18th May 1980, 
Joy Division singer and guitarist Ian Curtis hanged himself in the kitchen of his house in Macclesfield, England at the age of 23. Curtis had the Iggy Pop album 'The Idiot', playing on his stereo and left a note that said, 'At this very moment, I wish I were dead. I just can't cope anymore.' Joy Division released the critically acclaimed debut album Unknown Pleasures in 1979, and recorded their follow-up 'Closer' in 1980. More here: http://www.thisdayinmusic.com/pages/ian_curtis
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I remember the day,,

I could have broke down and cried..

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(i dedicate)for ian:

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What I wonder about is that the song in question had been around for quite a while, long before Ian's situation started going from bad to worse. If I'm not mistaken the song may have been written originally during their Warsaw times.
Does anybody out there own the German book Shadowplay?
http://www.joydiv.org/bk7.htm
I seem to recall it contained a page with a setlist apparently from 1977 and it also had DotL.
Can someone confirm this?
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Twenty4hours ... dread to think what are you doing for your A Levels ?![smile]

In your extract from 'War and Peace', you dont seem to take into account the drugs (barbituates) that Ian was on .... which surely influenced his mental / emotional state and ultimately his final decision
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What I wonder about is that the song in question had been around for quite a while, long before Ian's situation started going from bad to worse. If I'm not mistaken the song may have been written originally during their Warsaw times. Does anybody out there own the German book Shadowplay? http://www.joydiv.org/bk7.htm I seem to recall it contained a page with a setlist apparently from 1977 and it also had DotL. Can someone confirm this?


The earliest I've seen DotL mentioned is Pip's Disco on Jan 25th '78. 

http://www.enkiri.com/joy/gigs/sl_manchester_pips781.html

This would still place it before Ian's first epileptic fit, wouldn't it?

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@ TJ Davidson

Yes, I know what you're talking about. There's some 1977 setlist with "Day of the Lords" on it, but I don't know which one.

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I view "Day of the Lords" as a song written from a great understanding of an historical perspective of humanity in general.
I believe Ian was one of those people who understood too well the ways of the world and as the trope goes "You cannot bear the reality."
That he managed to bear it AND write about it in a universally comprehensive manner AND convey it all to those with ears to listen AND leave these thoughts and feelings and realizations in a form of technology that will seemingly endure forever is a testament to his compassion for mankind. St Ian indeed is not an exaggeration to me.
On the other hand I also believe he was not from around here, that he accidentally fell out of the mothership passing over earth, so, ah, there ya go lol.

Too, one can read many many meanings into Ian's lyrics simply by analysing the words he chose -he seemed to have a penchant for choosing words with double, and sometimes triple, meanings. Add in that at each gig emphasis was put more on different words or phrases and the multi-dimensional meanings expand exponentially. What a gift. What a writer. What a fckin genius. What a damn shame he's not here with us physically now.

I have my own theories of the ultimate cause of his death but they're still half-baked so I withhold comment on it for now.
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He'd also supposedly drunk a bottle of whiskey ..... 

And maybe he just liked the words
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In "Touching From A Distance" there is a poem (or is it an early set of lyrics) from 1978 called "Day Of The Lords" which is completely different to the song.

We won't forget you on the day of the lords,
When our hearts stopped,
When we put up the boards,
To relax from all this sickness of words,
To escape from the collapse of our worlds.

We won't forget you, though in violence you go,
As the wheels turned in the theatres below,
An escape from the ends never met,
In apartments with the lives not formed yet.

You never really understood,
You never tried to change our minds,
As long as you were in control,
As long as we could spare the time,
And 'cause you needed to win on the day of the lords.

We won't forget you on the day of the lords,
In a new town, just clutching at straws,
With the door shut, now the running had ended,
And a last thought of the chances surrendered.


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Bernard suggests a possibility in his book that in the lyrics of "Ceremony",  Ian is telling the world he will succeed in committing suicide. "In A Lonely Place" IMHO is the song that most likely telegraphs his intentions - even the method of death is recounted in the lyrics. However, I can't believe that his death ultimately was a calculated and blackly artistic statement. This was a 23 year old man with many pressures on his shoulders - and basically still not mature enough to take stock of them and deal with them accordingly - allowing things to get on top of him. Its a possibility that the effects of the medication he was taking may have tipped the balance. I have said before on this forum - Debbie has made it clear to me in an interview we had that his letter was not a suicide note. It has been documented that within the letter he mentioned his future with Debbie and Natalie - someone who knows they're about to kill themselves would not be talking about their lives hence. I think this analysis of "Day Of The Lords" is building into the myth here. It's a bit like saying that if Elton John had committed suicide then "Goodbye Yellow Brick Road" was his way of confirming to us that he was about to take his own life. You could even take it as far as saying that the chorus of "You're No Good For Me" in which Ian sings the lyric - "Ner Ner Ner Ner Ner Ner Ner Ner No Good" is his desperate pained attempt at expressing his dissatisfaction with life and the world and his desire to be rid of it. That's the trouble these days - too many "experts".
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Again, I view the completed version of "In A Lonely Place" as an historical comment , mainly because of the theme of the music.
"Ceremony" sounds more to me like "boy looses girl/boy vows to win her back."

The only person who knows for sure why Ian Curtis died is Ian Curtis. We speculate he left us clues in his writing. In his behavior. We try out various readings and interpretations. We seek explanation and closure to the mystery. "It's just second nature/It's what we've been told/We're living by your rules/It's all that we know."
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Try reading it this way: "Day of the Lord's" and "No room for the week" and it's some other meaning.
Probably not an original thought lol but it was new / knew to me ;-)
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