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Anyone know the date it was recorded?

 

 

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AFAIK this has only ever been documented as April 1980. I don't think anyone has been able to confirm exact recording / broadcast dates. 

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I have downloaded the version of this interview that is in circulation, it is completely different from the interview that I recorded myself from BBC Radio Manchester/GMR in 1988, around the time of Substance, that I'd always assumed was the Radio Lancashire interview.
There's about six minutes of interview material, it is not the other interview in circulation that also features Stephen Morris.
I don't know what it is but he mentions Bauhaus, touring with Buzzcocks, & the impending (That may narrow the date down) American tour, among other subjects.


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Sounds good ... dont recall hearing the bits that you mentioned, so ill have to try and source it

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Listening more closely I've discovered that it is the BBC Lancashire/Blackburn interview, there's about ten seconds of the one in circulation on this, the rest is all stuff that's not on the well known one.

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Excellent stuff, never heard any of this part of the interview before. Well spotted, that man.
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The final part, even after all these years, is heartbreaking:

Q: "Where do you see or where do you feel you want Joy Division
to end or go to?"

A: "I just want us to carry on the way we are, I think. Basically,
we want to play and enjoy what we like playing. I think when we
stop doing that, I think, well, that will be time to pack it in.
That'll be the end."

In a strange way, he's gotten his wish...as the group still carries on.
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Granada tv feature on Curtis from 1995, around the time Touching From A Distance was published.


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This is gold, thanks SB!
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Yes, thanks SB. Interesting little feature although slapped wrists for the TV bod who got the year of birth wrong!
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I believe that while an excerpt of this interview was originally broadcast in April of 1980, it was much more likely that it was originally taped in February of that year. Here's why:

Obviously, as Ian refers to the European tour, the earliest this could have possibly have been recorded was late January 1980.

If this was recorded post-April 7th breakdown, it's truly extraordinary how nothing sounds amiss. He does talk about the impending US tour... According to him, the US tour was originally going to be three months long, but got shortened to a couple of weeks...with Cabaret Voltaire in the support slot, which is the only mention I've seen of this, as the listings for the canceled tour doesn't list opening acts besides those local to the venues. Save for one.

What's really interesting is that if you look at the MDM Gretton archives, you can see that an earlier draft of the proposed tour *does* mention Cabaret Voltaire as the opening group. And what's notable is that most of the venues are different. This suggests that the US tour may have originally been slated for March 1980, given the gap in their live itinerary, but presumably the band instead chose to record tracks for a new album, so when this tour was rescheduled for late May, Cabaret Voltaire were presumably unavailable to go with the group.

There's a couple of further clues. Ian talks about all the tracks left over during the Unknown Pleasures sessions, and how these were given over to various other labels. Here, he refers to Atmosphere/Dead Souls tracks (which actually were recorded afterward) being given to Sordide Sentimentale which he refers as *upcoming*....as best as I've been able to determine (looking at the JD Central history page) this was released in March 1980, and given there's no reference to the recording of the album that became Closer, it would suggest a February date, perhaps around the time of the New Osborne club performance.
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Exactly the kind of sleuthing that those involved on this site should be doing. Terrific work. I can't fault the logic.

Imagine if ...

... they had toured the US earlier. IC might have been brought back from the brink but it might have been even more disastrous and accelerated his decline and Closer might not have been finished.

Ifs and buts ...

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Thanks for your kind words, Jon.

As for what would have happened with a March US tour...here's what the page says (note there's a 31st, so it's definitely March we're talking about):

16 Mar - NYC Irving Plaza
17 Mar - Philadelphia Emerald City (crossed out)
19 Mar - Boston Main Act (Paradise)
21 Mar - NYC Hurrahs (not sure if this is supposed to be multiple nights
22 Mar - NYC Hurrahs  or an ambiguity about the exact date Joy Division
23 Mar - NYC Hurrahs  were set to perform)
25 Mar - Toronto Palais Royale (The Edge)
26 Mar - Detroit Center Stage
29 Mar - SF Poly Ballroom (UC Berkeley) / Berkeley Temple
30 Mar - LA Whisky-a-Go Go
31 Mar - LA Starwood

This would have been gentler than what they were actually proposing for the May tour (additional Chicago and Minneapolis dates). I imagine the effect on Ian would have been profound, but you're right, it's hard to know how it would have played out, keeping in mind all that went down in early April (Moonlight+Rainbow dates, suicide attempt, Bury riot, his week at the Wilsons') wouldn't have occured, and even had the tour been aborted, it would have quickly help to shed light on his precarious physical and emotional state.  Of course, it may have been Ian himself who expressed trepidation about making the journey to the US and figured working on a new album would be good cause to postpone the tour, so if that's the case, it's really a moot question.
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As much as I admire all the logic going on here, and I'm inclined to agree with the deductions, IC's intentions/feelings/psyche seem impenetrable. I spoke with him briefly on April 5th, the day before his "serious" suicide attempt and he seemed positive, enthusiastic about the recent recordings and incredibly relaxed. OK, that may have been his medication and he did seem tired, but he was otherwise WELL on the ball. Even knowing what I know now, I'm still baffled by his actions.
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That was great.
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 Exactly the kind of sleuthing that those involved on this site should be doing. 

 

... and what exactly does that mean Real Jon ... hmnnn?

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I meant everyone involved from esteemed Web Meisters(!) to the humble rank and file like me. There was no inference of anything sinister.
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Thank goodness for that - I though you just meant the people here at Joy Division Central Towers  and I was beginning to feel quite hurt

 

I keep meaning to go through these boards and hoover up info like this and add it to the main body of the site - the only problem is there's always new info coming in via email too.

 

Anyway, yes, absolutely, more sleuthing is always required. Over the years there have been loads of occasions where we (at the aforementioned JD Central Towers) have investigated seemingly ridiculous hunches - and ended up with a really good result. Then again, if you added up all the hours we, and people associated with the site, have spent trying to confirm the Club Vera footage you'd, well, you'd have more hours than you could shake a stick at, and that's a fact.

 

 

 

 

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Thanks SB!

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Erik and I have made a stab at transcribing the original Radio Blackburn interview. This was not easy as there is a lot of umming and arring which isn't easy to type up.

 

There are at least two recordings of this. The text in black is the short version and the text in green makes it up to the long version.

 

Note: the text in red is repeated which indicates some editing has gone on.

 

This is the original not the 1988 rebroadcast. That one is quite different - only the highlighted text  below features in both the original and the 88 rebroadcast.

 

If anyone wants to improve on this please do - but please repost the entire interview not amendments to individual lines or comments. I've really had enough of editing this thing!

 

If there's enough interest I will post a partial transcript of the rebroadcast as I've come to the end of my tether on that one too

 

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  ORIGINAL RADIO BLACKBURN INTERVIEW >>>>>>>>>>>

You tend to get tied down to one particular type of sound and .... I think it's a lot easier

for ... like the music papers to do something like that to like get you boxed and this group belongs to like this category  and this group belongs to this category.

 

but I'd like to think that we don't belong to any category you know that the music the music we play cuts across different things. I think ... no we never have any intention to say oh we want to sound like this or we want to sound like that. Its just what comes out at the timeThe things that influence me are things that are mostly people. I can remember some very good sort of friends like of  sixteen or so just really growing up type of thing. Their outlook at that time ... well sort of our outlook together sort of shaped my outlook for the next couple of years

 

If I'm listening to music it depends on the persons attitude towards the music they're making that influences more than the actual music that's played    i can remember certain odd singles

 

 I remember hearing, you know, a few years ago, that remind me of a certain point in time when something happened and I tend to look on things like that a lot more than say  certain artists  wher I said "oh buy all his LPs and this is the person, or this is the music, for life" so it's odd little things or odd LPs that remind me of certain things or make me think or sort of made me think "well that's right". Something like that.

 

  

YOUR LYRICS SEEM TO CONCENTRATE ON INDUSTRIAL OR URBAN DECAY DO YOU THINK THAT ,,, mumble mumble ... ] OR ARE YOU JUST REPORTING ON IT?

 

personally I wouldn't say we deal too much in that. the way i look at it , and the way I

write, it's more to do with personal relations and the way people can cope with certain

things. Within that, I tend to be more interested in people and how they look at things in

different ways and different people can cope with certain problems and how we can adapt and sort of ??? I don't like grouping things together more i prefer to think of everyone as an individual really. I can see different things cropping up in different people's lives,or whatever, that's totally different from other people.

 

I wouldn't like to sort of make a statement on sort of a vast vast subject. Basically we want to play and enjoy what we like playing - I think when we stop doing that i think, well, that will be the time to pack it in that'll be time to pack it in - that'll be the end.

 

 

[A FEW BARS OF ATMOSPHERE]

 


We've improved as musicians, obviously, from when we started we couldn't play at all really.

 

Bernard the guitarist had been playing maybe for a few months and Peter the bass player started from scratch and I'd never been in a group before. I think in the beginning it was just something we wanted to do, you know, to get up there and play but after about six months or so we started looking at the music, what we wanted to say more seriously

 

 

YOU'VE BEEN COMPARED TO THE BANSHEES AND EVEN MORE OFTEN THE DOORS. NOW WHAT DO YOU THINK OF COMPARISONS LIKE THAT?

 

 

I don't agree with them really. I mean, it's pointless making comparisons really beacuse you tend to get tied down to one particular type of sound. You no we never have any intentions to say "we want to sound like this, or we want to sound like that". It's just what comes out at the time.

 


WHAT SORT OF
 INFLUENCES WOULD YOU ADMIT TO THEN?

 


Oooh shit (?)
mostly people. [Missing bit: Oooh yeah(?), things that influence me I think are mostly people - I can remember some very good friends when I was sixteen I can remember some very good sort of friends like of  sixteen or so just really growing up type of thing. Their outlook at that time ... well sort of our outlook together sort of shaped my outlook for the next couple of years. CONTINUES ON LONGER TAPE:  I can remember certain odd singles I remember hearing, you know, a few years ago, that remind me of a certain point in time when something happened, you know, and I tend to look on things like that.

 

WHAT DO YOU THINK [OF?] THE STATE OF NEW WAVE?

 

Don't know. I think it's, a lot of it tends to have lost its edge really. There's(?) quite a few new(er?) groups that I've heard on record or have seen maybe such as, eh, I like, I think it's mostly old Factory groups really, I like the groups on Factory; [A] Certain Ratio and Section 25. I tend not to listen, when I'm listening to records, I don't listen to much new wave stuff, I know someone who works in a record shop where I live and I'll go in there and he'll play me (have you heard this????) single, I can never say really I like such and such a group coz there's always something I don't like about them (laughs); you know, funny really, I can pick out odd, odd tracks or, eh, odd albums or singles, but it'll end at that, there's not, there's no-one I com..., you know(?) I completely like that I can say oh(?) I got all this person's records, and I think he's great, or this group's record, just eh again odd things, you know, that, that I like.

 

DO YOU HAVE ANY PLANS OF GIGGING OUTSIDE THIS  COUNTRY? I MEAN, LOTS OF BANDS SEEM TO BE CONTENT TO PLAY THE VENUES ABOUT(?) THIS COUNTRY, DO YOU HAVE ANY PLANS OUTSIDE IT?

 

We've played in Europe already, in eh Holland and Germany, and we are going to America, we're only going for, eh, they wanted us to go for about 3 months (laughs), but we're only going for about 2 weeks - 3 weeks, and Rough Trade will probably(?) be organizing that, and(?) we're going with Cabaret Voltaire. Oh I'd hate to be on the, you know, usual record company where it's sort of(?) get an album out, you do a tour, you know, you do all the Odeons and this, that and the others(??), just couldn't do that at all, (?) had some bad experiences as(?) supporting The Buzzcocks (draws breath), it was really, yeah, soul-destroying, you know, at the end of it, we said we'd never tour, and we'll never do a, we will never do a tour I don't think, (unless we do it???), not be longer than about 2 weeks, playing sort of a mixture of large and small venues or unseated(???), we want to play and enjoy what we like playing. I think when we stop doing that, I think, well, that'll be the time to, to pack it in.

 

[Transmission is played, but only the first 13 seconds is captured on tape]

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SB, 

 

I *think* the one you have there is the 88 rebroadcast.

 

It has the same name as the one I have partly, and only partly, transcribed below. If anyone wants to fill in the gaps (or at the end, complete sentences, please feel free (but please post the thing in its entirety)!

 

Again, the highlighted bit is common to both tapes

 

 

THIS IS  AN INCOMPLETE WRITE UP OF THE 1988 REBROADCAST >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

 

WHAT SORT OF RELATIONSHIP DO YOU HAVE WITH OTHER MANCHESTER BANDS?


We tend to be pretty isolated now really apart from the Factory groups. We have a lot to do with the other groups on Factory. We tend to play a lot of gigs with them and ... theres other things like erm the durutti column LP - the sandpaper sleeve - we we stuck that on. So it's not er everyone ???? each other with that but groups like the Buzzcocks we knew when we started really. You know when we sort of see them we talk to them but it's not very often. We'd like to, you know, see a lot more of other Manchester groups. Any  other groups in general


WHAT DO YOU THINK [OF?] THE STATE OF NEW WAVE?

Don't know. I think it's, a lot of it tends to have lost its edge really. There's(?) quite a few new(er?) groups that I've heard odd records of record or have seen maybe such as, eh, I like, I think it's mostly old Factory groups really, I like the groups on Factory; [A] Certain Ratio and Section 25. I tend not to listen, when I'm listening to records, I don't listen to much new wave stuff, i tend to listen to the stuff I used to listen to a few years back but sort of odd singles. I  know someobody who works in a record shop where I live and I'll go in there and he'll play me "have you heard this single?" singles by er the group called the tights so an obscure thing ... and a group called, I think, er bauhaUs, a london group, that's one single. There's no one I completely like that I can say "well I've got all this person's records. i think he's great" or "this group's records" it's just, again, odd things


[NO LOVE LOST]


DO YOU HAVE ANY PLANS OF GIGGING OUTSIDE THIS COUNTRY?


We've played in Europe already in Holland and germany and we are going to America. We're only going for er, I think they wanted us to go for about 3 months or so, but we're
only going for about about 2 weeks, 3 weeks, and rough trade will probably be organising that. i think we're going with Cabaret Voltaire. I like those, they're a good group, I forgot about them. Yeah but, we tend to do what we want really. We play the music we want to play and we play the  places we want to play. I'd hate to be on the usual record company where you get an album out and you do a tour and you do all the Odeons and all the this that and the others. I couldn't just do that at all. We had experience of that supporting the buzzcocks. It was really soul destroying, you know, at the end of it. We said we'd never tour ... and we'll never do a tour I don't think - or if we do it won't be longer than about two weeks.

 


WHY DID IS YOUR SORT OF RELATIONSHIP WITH FACTORY RECORDS


It's very good sort of friends everyone knows each other it's all 50:50. Everything's split.

 

DOESN'T IT IT SEEM A BIT INSULAR SORT OF BEING IN FACTORY SORT OF SET UP?

Don't know I suppose to somebody looking at it from the outside i suppose it is really
I mean you're not prssurised into having to sign ... like you know get a normal record company - they're  always looking for the next group for the next big thing ... you know ... to bring the record sales in and for them to promote and everything but Factory just sign who they want to, put records by who they want to out, package it how they want to, you know, how they like doing it. It's just run like that.You might get a spurt of 3 singles out - you might not see anything for the next 6 months. You know. I like the relationship


[    DIGITAL??????    ]

 

a COUPLE OF TRACKS    EARCOM    HOW DID YOU GET INVOLVED WITH THAT

 


Bob Lat was thei manager at the time and he talked then about setting up a record label

 

Gang of 4 and the Human league


it never came about

 

when we were doing the album we had quite a few tracks left over

 

 

we'd always sort of kept in touch

 

we just offered him the 2 tracks to put out on that

 


it's often hard with factory because obviously they're limited financially


we tend to look for other outlets


WHERE JOY DIVISION TO END OR GO TO

 

Basically we want to play and enjoy what we like playing - I think when we stop doing that i think, well, that will be the time to pack it in - that'll be the end.

 

[THESE DAYS CUTS]

 

 


 

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cant acess file how do i download this
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The one I downloaded was slightly different to the one that was transcribed further up the page.  The one you have just transcribed, Marko, could indeed be the '88 re-broadcast.  One thing though, the second song that is played I think(?) is 'Komakino' as opposed to 'Digital'.

 

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Hello Dan

 

Could you post it again, I tried but it's been removed rom the file 'cos it's not been accessed for a certain time or something!

 

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Hope this works for you matey.

http://rapidshare.de/files/36022962/Ian_Curtis_Joy_Division_Interview_1988_-_Track_29.mp3

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