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2e0bax

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Firstly I will say hello as I am new here, My name is Sean and live in Macclesfield.
For the past 4-5 months in my spare time I have been tracing the locations in Macclesfield that were part of Ian's life.

In 1979 Ian Curtis was interviewed in The Castle Pub, Now some sites say it was the Castle Hotel Manchester and others The Castle Pub in Macclesfield.
Does anyone know the true location where the recording of the interview took place? Sean
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This one perhaps ....  http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/place?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-GBfficial&channel=s&hl=en&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=castle+hotel+pub+manchester&fb=1&gl=uk&hq=castle+hotel+pub&hnear=Manchester,+Lancashire&cid=5259090752048391853&pcsi=5259090752048391853,1

http://www.thecastlehotel.info/

http://www.thecastlehotel.info/press%20release.pdf

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The cassette that it was for:

http://www.discogs.com/Various-Northern-Lights-3/release/978814

...states that it was at a pub in Oldham Street, Manchester.



Not sure where the Castle bit comes from though that is usually credited in relation to this interview, but there is the Castle Hotel on Oldham Street as Pat has indicated. This is also not far from the New Hormones offices that were on Newton Street at the time (who were responsible for the cassette).

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Thanks for the info ... it was one of things I had to get right, You see we have a pub called The Castle in Macclesfield, Oh well it was not that the one in Macc but then its so small there aint no room for a band. Sean

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Nice link Truth ... in all these years i had never twigged that 'Northern Lights' was a cassette zine from '81 .... i had always presumed it was a standard fanzine from '79 or '80 .... so its good to see the cover etc

I presume that the Stuart James (who helped compile it and also engineered the Biting Tongues track) is the same one who produced the JD Picadilly radio session from summer '79?





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On a related matter, this is noted as having been recorded in October / November '79. Is there anything to substantiate this?

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The cassette inlay states October 1979
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Possibly recorded on 27th/28th October, coinciding with the Apollo dates?
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If this is the interview I'm thinking of - that got released on a 7" picture disc and is virtually inaudible - I read it was recorded in a Yates's Wine Lodge.

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I have a theory on this. If October is correct, then it could have only been recorded on either the 4th, 11th, 18th or 25th as these are the broadcast dates for Blankety Blank which you can hear in the background. But they had gigs on all dates except the 11th which was cancelled so that date looks the most likely.
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CP / FP says:

(I still believe the 'Castle pub' interview actually took place in the Salisbury @ Oxford Rd Station, M/cr, I'm sure I remember it taking place in there one afternoon)

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When our work was done over at the Gaythorn, and we had time to kill and beer to sample, we'd often traipse over to the Salisbury (not exclusively JP or FP, anyone who shared Davidsons rehearsal air really, why even Hucknall and fellow elevators came in for a pint or two, (it was a (hawk spit) 'red' pub after-all) my weren't we blessed, sorry I digress) anyhow, I recall one afternoon Ian being interviewed by a couple of folk for a 'cassette magazine', not something I'd forget really  (if I'm not mistaken I think the gentle sound of pool balls clinking can be heard somewhere in the background) I've not heard this interview for a very long time, however when I did I recall at the time instantly recognising it as that interview.
 

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I crossed checked my theory (my mate, another musician from those heady days, also has selective memory - but thankfully we fill in the missing bits for each other) it turns out that it could well have been the Castle, Oldham Street, (sorry folks) we'd sometimes do a pub crawl from Yates to Yates (at either end) then end up in 'the Conti' another popular haunt for the single member's of the Davidson 'club' (though Ian did go in on a couple of occasions) does Hooky read this forum?, he can get the Stella in if he does.
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Interesting stuff though the slight anomaly is 'Blankety Blank' which I am sure is on in the background and as far as I can remember was only ever broadcast in the evenings. Could it be that a few afternoon pints turned into an evening session?!

Does Wogan frequent these boards? Perhaps he can confirm.
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I wonder what time blankety blank came on at (and on what night) 
I didn't realise the show was that old, as for Tel being here, there's more chance of Les Dawson making an appearance 

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Thursday nights I believe, possibly after TOTP?

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Can the full show be heard Keef or is it a snippet?, I'm wondering if it was a preview of that nights/weeks upcoming entertainment (I use the term loosely) 
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Within the first 30 seconds you can hear old Tel saying ''Join me for the Supermatch Game'', followed by the cheesy music. I'm 100% sure it's not a trailer.

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Playing Sherlock ......

Here's the link to when Blankety Blank was aired :

http://ftvdb.bfi.org.uk/sift/series/5796

That list would suggest the Blankety Blank in the background was 25/10/79.......but Joy Division were playing St George's in Bradford that night. So the programme must have been recorded on 25/10 and aired a day or two later.

They were back in Manchester on the 27th and 28th for gigs at the Apollo, so the interview would have taken place on one of these dates if my deductive powers are any good.



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The Supermatch game was towards the end of the show if I recall rightly - of it TOTP was on at 7:00pm with BB from 7:30 - 8:00pm then it would coincide with the gap between soundcheck and gig (if the theory of it being the night of the Apollo gig is right)
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Isolated, see my earlier post about possible broadcast dates. My own feeling is that this would have been recorded on an evening when they had no gig, as to squeeze it in between s/c and gig seems a bit unnecessary.

As for the Supermatch Game I think there were two during the programme - one about half way through and one near the end.

(I'm feeling a little bit uneasy about relaying all this detail on some god awful 70's gameshow. If anyone wants to correspond with me about Joy Division, feel free to come and find me on Blankety Blank Central )


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I don't remember there being much in the way of trailers in those days, unlike now.
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I think the only thing I can add is that the Castle Pub, Oldham St, was on the radar back then, so it's possible the recording was made there, as for the date, it's quite a dash from the Apollo to Oldham St, though I wouldn't rule out a few beers between sound check and gig, as was oft the case back then.

I think I've probably told the story about the Bury miners gig, but as it fits in with the pub / sound-check theme,
We're all in the pub across the road (on a hill) after sound-checks and we're being given a hard time by the landlady for being 'townies' and, in her opinion, therefore expected to be served straight away (we didn't expect anything as it happens, and the fact that there was only one local in the pub made it all the more strange - and funny) anyhow, on departing, and as a gesture towards her warm hospitality, Ian put Syd's 'My Way' on the jukebox - around 10 times worth in fact, oh such bad lads 
I'm off to create a MySpace page dedicated to Blankey Blank LOL (whats the betting someone actually has)

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Keef has already set up a Blankety Blank MySpace site
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2e0bax de ei3gsb

I have a copy of that interview, no idea where it was recorded but I always thought that Les Dawson was the king of Blankety Blank, streets ahead of Wogan.


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