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What exactly was Ian's hairstyle, it was definitely more than just a basic cut all over, right? I remember hearing something about how he would ask his barber for a roman emperor hairstyle (Caesar maybe), please tell me if I'm wrong, I did hear that on the internet. I think it was someone who knew him that said that.

How would you describe the transition of his hair over the 77-80 period, I saw a picture as well, I think it was in the tube way pictures where he has what looks like a buzz-cut, maybe a 4 or 5 all over.

Anyway, I'm asking because I'm interested, so would appreciate some input, thanks.
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glam rock poof to
standard issue p.o.w.buzzcut alternating with
Roman  cut with Vidal Sassoon influenced bangs

none of which are as scary as that may 12 visa photo in "torn apart" where the front of the haircut is asymetrical in a very disturbing way
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Thanks a lot. Torn Apart a book?
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Torn Apart is certainly in the top two Joy Division books http://astore.amazon.co.uk/joydivisionbo-21/detail/1847725082
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from that link it goes to a customers review stating that natalie curtis wrote an account....a mistake or did i miss something?
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& this review by a close friend of ians is quite compelling:
This review is from: Torn Apart: The Life of Ian Curtis (Paperback)
An excellent read, frankly, and as one close to the action for the earlier part of Ian's life, a faithful representation of an all too brief, but ultimately in retrospect stellar career. Ian and I went to primary school together - walking home was great fun, as we made up fantastical tales of spacemen, alien invaders, long-lost Amazon tribes and all manner of nonsense, illuminating immeasurably the stroll to our homes - Ian in Balmoral Crescent and then me at Delamere Drive, in Hurdsfield. It was with my family that Ian came on holiday to Anglesey - I have photos of us playing football on Benllech beach, and posing self-consciously outside a caravan - and I note that later in his short life he was to revisit that lovely part of Wales. Then it was off to senior school - King's in Macclesfield - where we stayed close until perhaps we were 14 or so, wherupon I had my soccer and rugby dominated life, and he developed his esoteric side so productively. I reckon he'd have given it all up to be able to play footie like Franny Lee (only jesting), but that was never to be. He was all elbows and knobbly knees in a footballing sense, I recall, but what a fine pal he was. I so wish he was around now, a grand and reverred figure, so I could have a catch-up with my old mate. Natter about the dreaded 'Impetigo' (not just a skin complaint in our primary school imagination - no, a race of invaders from outer space no less); and of course reflect how some of the biggest names around credit him fondly with influencing their careers. Ian's Mum Doreen evidently kindly recalled me, because I feature in the book a couple of times. If any of the family are reading this - sister Carole perhaps ('Cag,' as Ian called you)- then I cordially send very best wishes from an old friend, who misses his friend. Very much.

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Yes I would go defin for the Roman Emperor haircut...compere p.e. the images of statues of Augustus with our heroes (sorry I cant post em have problems with my pc...just google it) ...the similarities are all there...about the biography of I.C.: I wonder if Torn Apart goes into deep waters regarding Ian's religious and political views...As Debbie wrote in her book he voted Tory: so he was a conservative, unlike all the bands who surrounded him...all well irrigimented in the left wing or anarchist tendencies...as far as religion goes just think of the Eternal and tell me if this lyrics are not an amazing catholic poem...
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It seems to me "Torn Apart" is more about how the music came to be and was seen and recorded; at times it seems to be material sourced from another book. It does not examine Ian's religious views or leanings at all, merely makes mention of confirmation, wedding, brief quotes from relatives. If there's politics in this book I missed them entirely.

Before I read in "torn apart" what vinni reilly said ian told him about the lyrics of "the eternal" I felt upon first hearing it it was a very religious song, a very spiritual song, from "brother ian" and had he lived the next album would have many such-themed songs but....now that I've listened longer and more closely to the end-times live concerts I don't think there would have been a third album at all-I think the band was going one way and Ian another and never again the twain should meet.

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Ummmm. Do you not want to reverse the captioning on that photo? ;-)
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It seems to me "Torn Apart" is more about how the music came to be and was seen and recorded; at times it seems to be material sourced from another book. It does not examine Ian's religious views or leanings at all, merely makes mention of confirmation, wedding, brief quotes from relatives. If there's politics in this book I missed them entirely. Before I read in "torn apart" what vinni reilly said ian told him about the lyrics of "the eternal" I felt upon first hearing it it was a very religious song, a very spiritual song, from "brother ian" and had he lived the next album would have many such-themed songs but....now that I've listened longer and more closely to the end-times live concerts I don't think there would have been a third album at all-I think the band was going one way and Ian another and never again the twain should meet.


I dont know...maybe they could have found a comprimise: even thought Ceremony is very poppy in sound it has profound and spiritual lyrics....obv the other guys did not have IC's sensibility - and it can be seen from the stupidity of NO's lyrics compared to the deepness of IC's...its too bad that no biography goes on investigatin IC's spiritual and political outolook...aprat from very brief hints in Touchin from a Distance which remains, as today, prob the best book about IC...Hook's Unknown Pleasures is horrible...meaningless junk wrote by a guy who was a great musician but with no brain for the things that make existance worth living (art, literature, spirituality, history of our roots as european peoples)
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nah!

funny!

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Well frankly I would love to write a book exploring the metaphysical and esoteric implications of Ian's lyrics but I don't think it would be well-received as its sources would be, at this point, speculation based on second-hand accounts from various people who may or may not know what the hell they're talking about. Especially since we're all getting old and "corrupted from memory."

I will say this: every single time I listen to Ceremony (Heart and Soul) I cannot help but imagine the music is creating a divine flame of the highest spiritual order. That version is literally the most beautiful and uplifting song I've ever heard.

Can't comment on NO because I have not been able to stomach more than a minute or two of it.
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 A properly recorded version of Ceremony by Joy Division would have been the greatest song ever recorded.
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Well frankly I would love to write a book exploring the metaphysical and esoteric implications of Ian's lyrics but I don't think it would be well-received as its sources would be, at this point, speculation based on second-hand accounts from various people who may or may not know what the hell they're talking about. Especially since we're all getting old and "corrupted from memory." I will say this: every single time I listen to Ceremony (Heart and Soul) I cannot help but imagine the music is creating a divine flame of the highest spiritual order. That version is literally the most beautiful and uplifting song I've ever heard. Can't comment on NO because I have not been able to stomach more than a minute or two of it.


It would be nice indeed if someone would write such a book...not so much on esoteric but on the metaphysical level...I think both Debbie and Bernard would have precious memories about this part of IC's personality...I would define his outlook on the world "Conservative revolutionary"...Conservative in the sense that he was a proud british patriot, linked to the traditions of his land, revolutionary because he prob felt that England needed a spiritual rewakening, against the materialism (communist or racist, two faces of the same medal) of this age
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 A properly recorded version of Ceremony by Joy Division would have been the greatest song ever recorded.

Isn't that the truth! :-)


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