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Mikeol1987

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Hello there. these may seem like stupid questions, not that I haven't researched this but for one reason or another I cannot remember or have not trumped up any results,

I was wondering, on the recording of 'Love Will Tear Us Apart' I know barney was on the keys for this, but in the studio recording is it Ian or Barney that plays the guitar parts... to know Ian strikes those opening chords would make my life.

Also, any other recordings with Ian's guitar work you know of? I know theres one song I can't remember which on it is now, is it Interzone?

Help, and Discuss good JD fans


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I think Ian mostly played guitar live... you do see him in the Love Will Tear Us Apart video with his Vox Phantom, yes, although he doesn't look like he's doing much on it in that. He plays his guitar on Incubation as well as Barney but other than that, I don't know. From what I've found out about Ian playing guitar, he hated it and he preferred to just sing. I think he only ever played guitar because his band mates wanted him to.

There's a good chance Barney might have pre-recorded the guitar parts for Love Will Tear Us Apart as he's clearly the better guitarist and you just see Ian doing a little bit of it. 

And no question is stupid.

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Thanks for the reply JDcat4!

I've done some research into it and it is Barney on the recording, which I'm kinda gutted about... But yeah, he played a 12 string EKO (quite cheap ain't they?) for the studio recording, while as you said on Incubation there is real examples of recorded guitar work.


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Ian HAD to play the following songs on guitar live:

Insight
I Remember Nothing
Heart and Soul
The Eternal
Incubation
Love Will Tear Us Apart

He even played the keyboards on She's Lost Control live, after the song was rerecorded in late February 1980 (though as far as I know it was Bernard in the studio).


And yet it's unclear whether he ever did any guitar parts in the studio. I'd like to think he did, but it's very possible he didn't. I suppose the guitar on the Peel Session of "Insight" could be Bernard overdubbed, but I don't know.

Whether Ian liked it or not, by the end, he was really adding lot of things to the band musically. More guitar, synths, and melodica from him would've been nice to hear...


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He didn't play guitar on Insight but you can add Atmosphere to your list...
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Oh, forgot about "Atmosphere"...

I'm pretty sure he did on "Insight". Doesn't Bernard play synth on that song?

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Nope - Barney plays guitar...there's no synth on Insight.
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Interesting information here.  Well to play 'if Ian had lived and been able to carry on in JD', I wonder if he would have played more instruments in the live shows?  Or would he have decided to be strictly the singer and Gillian would have come on board anyway as the 5th member?  Certainly in reading Peter Hook's book, Stephen Morris was very much into having Gillian coming along with him on tour and she had already filled in for Bernard for a show when he cut his hand and was unable to play.
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I think, as he preferred to just sing, I think if he stayed alive and Stephen Morris's girlfriend, Gillian joined them anyway, Ian would have packed in playing the guitar, but maybe he might not have had it in him to say no to his friends.
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Stephen Morris was very much into having Gillian coming along with him on tour and she had already filled in for Bernard for a show when he cut his hand and was unable to play.


Wait, is that a Joy Division gig you're talking about? Which one was it?

Did Gillian learn to play guitar/keyboards before or after Ian died? When she first came aboard New Order, she seemed very well adept.

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According to Peter Hook's book, Gillian subbed for Bernard on December 9, 1979 for JD's gig at Eric's. Sumner cut his finger while playing around with beer bottles so he couldn't play.  Gillian was there; she had her own band, The Inadequates, in which she played guitar, so Rob Gretton asked her to fill in.  So yes, Gillian could play before she went into New Order.
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@charcas

News to me...that's really damn cool. I wonder how she did; like how well she knew all of the songs.

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Her first band was called ‘The Inadequates’ – an appropriate name, for as Gillian herself admits, ‘None of us could play a note, we just thought it would be cool to be able to say we were in a band just like everybody else.’ After Joy Division had been together for a couple of years, Gillian started seeing their new drummer, Stephen Morris, attending as many gigs as possible from late 1978. 

"I vaguely knew Joy Division," recalled Gillian, "I used to go and see them and then I got to know Stephen-I think it was one night at Liverpool Eric's and Ian had hurt his hand on a bottle or something, so he couldn't play the guitar for one number, so as I could play guitar a bit, I played that one number. Then, some months later, the others called me." 
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If there's no synth on Insight, what's that sound at the end of the verses? And who triggers them live?
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If there's no synth on Insight, what's that sound at the end of the verses? And who triggers them live?

It's Stephen Morris playing a syndrum.
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it kills me ,that r.boons camera perspective didn't catch 'ians part' in this clip:

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Got a feeling that one of the correspondents on here, when referring to the Bristol 1980 gig, said Ian strapped on his guitar during Passover as well, though there's definitely only one guitar (and unmistakeably Bernard) on all the live versions we have.
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That version of "I Remember Nothing" is absolutely colossal.  I get shivers down my spine every time I watch it.  My kingdom for stage lighting!
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