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presidentjoe

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Do we know who named this song? Was it Ian Curtis fully aware of his situation, or was it one of the remaining band members after his suicide?
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Well it was called 'Misplaced' in the beginning.
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So that seems to imply they renamed it after Ian's suicide. Interesting, thanks.
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Well it was called 'Misplaced' in the beginning.


Who says?

Remind me where that info came from.
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Years ago I remember reading it used to be referred to as "Little Boy".
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Little Boy as an alternative name for IALP is mentioned in Mark Johnson's AIFL book, page 64.


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The two early titles were "Misplaced" and "Little Boy." There are five full Joy Division takes of the song in existence, and most people seem to refer to the two earliest ones as "Misplaced." Personally, I always preferred the latter title over the former.

"In a Lonely Place" is actually from the name of a 1950 film noir. Apparently, Ian had a poster with a whole bunch of old movie names on it. The band often referred to the poster when naming songs. I believe "The Sound of Music" was also on it, though it also happened to be one of Ian's favorite films.

It is most likely Ian had named the two songs before he died, or rather the band as a whole had decided on them before Ian died.
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I think that no one will be able to attribute the use of the name 'Misplaced' to before the recent leaks/bootlegs. This is a recent 'naming' and should be disregarded.

However, 'Little Boy' is definitely the working title New Order used for the track in the early days.
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I thought that 'Misplaced' derived from a New Order interview that referred to a nine-minute Joy Division recording of In A Lonely Place that had been in Martin Hannett's possession but could no longer be traced and was referred to as being 'misplaced' rather than actually called 'Misplaced'.

I think that there are New Order setlists reproduced in 'From Heaven to Heaven' that refer to the song as 'Little Boy' along with 'Tiny Tim' for Doubts Even Here and 'Little Dead' for Denial.
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Im sure i remember reading somewhere that there used to be an advertising board for a local cinema that was located near to the bands rehearsal room .... and hence they would sometimes use film names as suitable inspiration for songs names if short of a suitable title ?
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They did actually rehearse in a former Cinema (The Rialto).
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The subject of working titles is quite interesting. As mentioned, some of the eventual titles appear to have been lifted from films etc but I wonder what prompted the initial monikers? The only reference for Little Boy I can think of is the bomb that was dropped on Hiroshima. Perhaps it was mentioned in the news at that time ( would have been the 35th anniversary). The use of Little in Little Dead may somehow have been derivative. No idea about Tiny Tim but the more observant will have noticed that like the other two, this name is also "small" !
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Truth : Thanks. Was that from early '80 onwards ? Any idea when/why they stopped using TJ Davidsons?

Keef : Personally, i always thought that the likeness between 'Doubts Even Here' and Tiptoe Through The Tulips' was obvious ! [smile]
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Truth : Thanks. Was that from early '80 onwards ? Any idea when/why they stopped using TJ Davidsons?

Keef : Personally, i always thought that the likeness between 'Doubts Even Here' and Tiptoe Through The Tulips' was obvious ! [smile]


I think they vacated TJM during early 1980, no idea about why. They returned to do the LWTUA filming.

They stayed at The Rialto (or Pinky's as it was known) during the formative New Order period too.
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Isn't "Misplaced" no more than a rumour gone wild? It apparently originated from the "Atmosphere" board (same one where somebody listed the contents of the Rainbow '80 "tape") many years ago?

Somebody must have put two and two together and attributed this title to the first few rehearsal recordings of Little Boy/IALP? But it's just guesswork, isn't it?
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Personally speaking, I don't really care much if the alternate titles are either Misplaced or Little Boy. Even if both of them have a little background story the song will always remain known under the title that was given on New Order's first single. Logically it should have been "Wish You Were Here" of course, but I guess in order to avoid confusion with another band's record they opted for something less obvious (Just like the title "Ceremony" has always been a mystery regarding its subject, wheras it could easily have been called "Heaven Knows" for instance).
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In addition: Who knows why early version "A Means to an End" call "From Night to Day"?
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And in addition addition: Where did the person who published the song get the title from? But I guess it's just as pointless to ask that like asking: Who is behind the release of the Misplaced bootleg, and how did he obtain those tapes?
Like Ian said: "There are some things we'll never understand".
Like John Peel said: "Never understood that, but who wants to understand things anyway?"
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And in addition addition: Where did the person who published the song get the title from? But I guess it's just as pointless to ask that like asking: Who is behind the release of the Misplaced bootleg, and how did he obtain those tapes? Like Ian said: "There are some things we'll never understand". Like John Peel said: "Never understood that, but who wants to understand things anyway?"


As it came out in parallel with the New Order Maxwell's one, and shared artwork designer etc, we can make an educated guess as to where those tapes originated from.
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Peter Pan, Captain Hook?
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