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I am very sorry to hear that. For me, I have always loved the song. It might even be my favorite JD tune. It always made me feel less alone, like Ian understood and felt the kinds of feelings I was for years when I first heard the song.
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Are they talking about we live in a lonely place because they think there is no god or are they just speaking geographically like”the lonely place “is a lonely graveyard on a moor for example . What do u think ?
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I consider myself as an agnostic Christian , by the way
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I think another reason for the choice of title, could be as the record was released as a tribute to him by new order; the reason was they missed him -in a lonely place without him and they weren’t sure what to do now.He was their loss and they felt bereft without him
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Hjspark, I'm sorry to read that this song has caused you some inner anguish. It shouldn't have to be like that for you (or for anyone).
First, remember that Ian Curtis's lyrics are not an infallible message from 'on high' for us mere mortals - they're just an expression of the way one man felt at that time. You don't have to take them so seriously that they shake your whole belief system. Curtis was ill, and he was on strong medication for epilepsy, which probably affected his mental state. Also it's evident from some of the lyrics to 'Closer' that he was feeling enormous guilt about his marital infidelity, and he possibly couldn't forgive himself and thought that he couldn't be forgiven. His widow has also said that Ian had long fantasised about an early death, that he had played into the whole idea of becoming a rock 'n' roll Myth. In other words, he fed his mind on these thoughts, and so he allowed himself to become what he thought he would become.
I imagine that you're a much younger person than I am, and I remember very well how, when I was 15 and I discovered JD's music, at that age your heart and emotions rule your head and the power of such music just utterly drowns you, engulfing everything. But as you get older (well I find, anyway) your sense of reason develops and although you don't lose the appreciation of emotion, it is increasingly balanced by reason. My 15 year old self would have been aghast at this suggestion and would hope such a thing never happens (because that would be like losing the purity and...almightiness of your emotions) but trust me, it's actually a good thing. (You might look at older people and think to yourself "they're boring, they've lost the spirit and the feeling, the system has dragged them down" etc, but you'll slowly grow into such a person and you'll see that you understand more than you thought you did when you were younger).
I agree that there's something very powerful about JD's music and lyrics, which can shake you up a bit. But as I say, it's important to remember that the cries of desperation from 'Closer', heart-wrenching as they are, are NOT the final word on the meaning of life. They're just the words of one man who was both good and bad like all of us and who didn't know it all. Life is good, and people are capable of astonishing acts of love and self-sacrifice.
So take it easy, friend, and don't get too worked up about it.
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Very well formulated,sir....i tip my (bowler) hat!
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Thanks for the replies
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Thanks for your kind words.

I am 49, and I think I fell under the jd spell whilst at uni in 1988 when some other people in halls were listening to it . You are right it is pretty glum music and precious little joy in it .
I don’t regret Tony Wilson’s passing as I always thought he was a pompous arse, who milked the myth for all it was worth , pretty much what peter hook does nowadays . Now there is a man obsessed with his own importance .
Anyway those are my thoughts .
I will try to take it easy now and thanks very much for your input
Hj
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Greatness consists out of all aspects of life.....even pompous dickheads,if needed....without whom no jd,no up and no martin hannett!so,embrace it all as discecting would destroy the magic.
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On a side note,i find "joy" in the music......i'll go even further,the music saved me  from gloom....multiple times!
But i get what you are trying to convey.

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