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I have a memory of seeing a video clip for Isolation on the Old Grey Whistle Test: one of those films made from abstract archive footage that OGWT used to showcase album tracks (so presumably this was broadcast in 1980, circa Closer. IIRC, it depicted an animated reptile weaving around, somewhat in time to the music. I've never seen it turn up online, and have therefore begun to wonder if I dreamt it. Does it ring a bell with anyone else here?


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Never heard of that.....seems highly doubtful,as all tv appearances,even the dutch one were chronicled.maybe it was a cover version and you remembered the tune but conflated it with it actually being jd?memories,esp. in the 80ies were highly toxic due to high sugar intake,if you get my drift😂?
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It was definitely the original! OGWT did this thing for a short period, where album tracks got a little film. I also remember Echo And The Bunnymen's Going Up getting a similar treatment (space rocket being launched), so this would have also been in 1980, when Crocodiles came out. 

I think my sugar intake was average for a 15-yr-old at the time. Then again, no one else seems to remember, so… 

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That with the sugar was a joke.....but i don't know how this release makes sense:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Old-Grey-Whistle-Test-Punk/dp/B00CD8SL12

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That looks like a very iffy comp!

It seems OGWT's films were a staple part of the programme's format, and were made via movie critic Philip Jenkinson's massive archive of 16mm film reels.

According to tvpopdiaries.co.uk: "The show would experience the same problem that Top Of The Pops had where artists couldn't, or wouldn't, appear in the studio. In the case of The Pops a dance troupe would paper over the cracks, but that would be a ridiculous approach for Whistle Test, so film clips would be employed. Filmfinders, a company set up by BBC presenter Philip Jenkinson found near-perfect clips to help accompany the chosen track, and in the case of Trampled Underfoot by Led Zeppelin the clip chosen made its way onto the band's own DVD clips collection. The show gave new animators like Ian Eames exposure, and his work for Pink Floyd is now synonymous with the band, and again has been included on the band's own retrospective DVD sets."

Also this, with a helpful explanation by Tom Robinson: https://youtu.be/SKv8n7zRAaI

The fact that no clip of Isolation has surfaced may be down to the fact that there are gaps in the BBC archive: 16 episodes are missing, and 54 are incomplete. Season 9 covers the summer of 1980, and the online episode guides are  blank. So I guess the chances of the film emerging are dependent on the BBC discovering the tapes in its archive (though they may have been wiped), or someone who recorded the programme on video posting it. Both scenarios seem pretty unlikely!

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Crazy,but it seems you went in-depth to research which now has peaked my curiousity.you seem to trust your recollections and maybe other members here will come forward with similiar memories.a casual search seems futile because of your above comment and my browsing also came up with nothing....but hey,nothing like wild a jd turkey chase,huh?
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Ha! Exactly. Joy Division are the archetypal ghosts in the machine.

I can't have been the only JD fan watching Whistle Test that evening… could I??

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I watched it & i was 8 at the time (adam&the ants fan,sorry) but i discovered jd 4 years later...so,if it happened,it went passed me.
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You mean this?

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From tvpopdiaries:

Saturday 22nd November 1980

BBC1 Multi-Coloured Swap Shop

Barclay James Harvest Life Is For Living (promo clip)

BBC1 The Basil Brush Show

Kelly Marie Loving Just For Fun 

Darts Sh-Boom 

BBC1 The Two Ronnies

Barbara Dickson

BBC1 Parkinson

Charles Aznavour

BBC2 The Old Grey Whistle Test 11:45 pm - 12:25 am

Hosted by Anne Nightingale

Split Enz - Missing Person, Nobody Takes Me Seriously

The Q Tips - Looking For Some Action, A Man Can't Lose (What He Don't Have)

Ulravox - Vienna (City Hall, St Albans)

The Pretenders - Stop Your Sobbing, with Mick Jones - Whatcha Gonna Do About It, Tattooed Love Boos (The Odeon, Hammersmith, London)

Martha & The Muffins - Suburban Dreams (Filmfinders clip)

Joy Division - Isolation (Filmfinders clip)

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Here is the link from nool:
http://forums.neworderonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=4454&find=unread#post29566
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Bingo! Thank you for proving I didn't dream it. I must have watched the early evening repeat a few days later, as 11.45pm was past my bedtime, even at the weekends.

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Saturday 22nd November 1980

 

BBC2 The Old Grey Whistle Test 11:45 pm - 12:25 am

Hosted by Anne Nightingale

Split Enz - Missing Person, Nobody Takes Me Seriously

The Q Tips - Looking For Some Action, A Man Can't Lose (What He Don't Have)

Ulravox - Vienna (City Hall, St Albans)

The Pretenders - Stop Your Sobbing, with Mick Jones - Whatcha Gonna Do About It, Tattooed Love Boos (The Odeon, Hammersmith, London)

Martha & The Muffins - Suburban Dreams (Filmfinders clip)

Joy Division - Isolation (Filmfinders clip)

 


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Well, I've learned something tonight.
Although I listed that 'Filmfinders' clip, I didn't really have any idea of what it was ; just the details that were on the tvpopdiaries website).

Thanks to this thread, I've now learned that it was a 'homemade' video for 'Isolation'.
Cheers guys!  At least I now know what I'm looking for when trying to hunt this down. :-)

Does anyone know if that particular episode (22/11/80) still exists or whether it is one of the missing episodes?
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This page confirms screening but not the jd clip as it was a small segment and not a performing band
(Scroll right down):
https://sites.google.com/site/vintagerocktv/uk/old-grey-whistle-test

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Well, I've learned something tonight.
Although I listed that 'Filmfinders' clip, I didn't really have any idea of what it was ; just the details that were on the tvpopdiaries website).

Thanks to this thread, I've now learned that it was a 'homemade' video for 'Isolation'.
Cheers guys!  At least I now know what I'm looking for when trying to hunt this down. :-)

Does anyone know if that particular episode (22/11/80) still exists or whether it is one of the missing episodes?


I've found a clip of Split End from that episode, plus their performance and the Q-Tips' were also cited in the 40th anniversary OGWT series. https://archive.org/details/1522808747d6f9bd4949014ab16ba93642876504484177747a273633b1352fe17fc81639f0

So that episode must exist. Or at least, the live performances do; Wikipedia states that 54 OGWT episodes are incomplete. But it could be out there somewhere.

The main reason I want to to see the video again is to work out why it's stuck in my head for 38 years…! Seeing some of the other Filmfinders clips has confirmed how evocative some of them were.

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I've found a clip of Split End from that episode, plus their performance and the Q-Tips' were also cited in the 40th anniversary OGWT series. https://archive.org/details/1522808747d6f9bd4949014ab16ba93642876504484177747a273633b1352fe17fc81639f0

So that episode must exist. Or at least, the live performances do; Wikipedia states that 54 OGWT episodes are incomplete. But it could be out there somewhere.

The main reason I want to to see the video again is to work out why it's stuck in my head for 38 years…! Seeing some of the other Filmfinders clips has confirmed how evocative some of them were.


It seems likely then that it does exist. That’s good to know.
I will keep an eye out for it. I have a pretty big collection of video material of JD/NO, but keep a list of stuff I know about that I don’t have. I’ll make sure this is on the list.

Do we know whether the BBC4 / Dave / UK Gold etc. have ever repeated blocks of episodes, like they have done with TOTP?
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It seems likely then that it does exist. That’s good to know.
I will keep an eye out for it. I have a pretty big collection of video material of JD/NO, but keep a list of stuff I know about that I don’t have. I’ll make sure this is on the list.

Do we know whether the BBC4 / Dave / UK Gold etc. have ever repeated blocks of episodes, like they have done with TOTP?


Not to my knowledge. The BBC4 website lists a few compilations and random single episodes which have been broadcast, but nothing to suggest a week-by-week repeat of entire series. I'll try and establish contact with the Beeb. In theory, the notion of public service broadcasting still exists, so hopefully someone might at least reply to an email.

Thanks for aiding my quest to find this video! So it goes on…

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Not to my knowledge. The BBC4 website lists a few compilations and random single episodes which have been broadcast, but nothing to suggest a week-by-week repeat of entire series. I'll try and establish contact with the Beeb. In theory, the notion of public service broadcasting still exists, so hopefully someone might at least reply to an email.


It seems crazy that they haven't repeated showing these 'en masse'.  BBC4 would seem an obvious avenue for this.  OGWT was always a lot more 'serious' than TOTP, so would suit that channel quite nicely, which tends to be fairly 'high brow'.
Also, an added advantage is that there are (presumably) no 'Savile' type issues that would stop them showing numerous episodes.

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Thanks for aiding my quest to find this video! So it goes on…


No problem!  Here's hoping one of us finds it!
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It seems crazy that they haven't repeated showing these 'en masse'.  BBC4 would seem an obvious avenue for this.  OGWT was always a lot more 'serious' than TOTP, so would suit that channel quite nicely, which tends to be fairly 'high brow'.
Also, an added advantage is that there are (presumably) no 'Savile' type issues that would stop them showing numerous episodes.



Indeed. Though there might be the occasional Peter Saville issue… [wink]

I'm in touch with a friend who works in some capacity at the BBC. He might be able to point a way forward…  

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Great!
Fingers (and toes) crossed.
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I remember this animated film for isolation on the OGWT. Recall being blown away by it at the time. Have searched on many occasion to find nothing - started to doubt myself!!
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