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PatTeasdale

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This very website lists the original Italian CD release of 'Substance' as containing a potentially different (?) version of the 12" mix of 'She's Lost Control' ... see the Strawberry Studio's 'Love Will Tear Us Apart' session 2 from March 1980 in the Studio Sessions section :

http://www.joydiv.org/sessions.htm

The CD was issued by CDG - Compagnia-Generale-Del-Disco-SpA ..... altho the info on here incorrectly lists it as GDC Records.

Does anyone have this release ?

Presumably the original CDG CD release doesnt contain a barcode printed on the sleeve ?

If so, can you confirm what version of 'She's Lost Control' is included  ...as i'm intrigued ? 

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This was based on information we received at the time, and before I had found a copy of the Italian "Substance" CD. Looks like we never got around to updating the page. It's CGD (not GDC or CDG), and She's Lost Control (4:54) on this 1988 CD release sounds to me like it's the same unfaded version as the one which later appeared on the "Heart And Soul" box-set (disc 2, track 1, 4:56) and the "Martin" compilation. The original UK Factory "Substance" CD from '88 features the regular 4:46 faded version from the 12", or at least my CD which was bought once it came out in '88 does. Maybe that's why the Italian release was of interest at the time as it featured a slightly different SLC from the UK Factory CD pressing?


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And there's no barcode on the Italian CGD CD. 


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The cassette version also has the non-faded / different mix.
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@Keef,the italian cassette?
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There are three variants aren't there?

Faded and unfaded, plus one with the snare hits not removed at the start.

All are very likely to be from the same actual mix, but just with different treatments at the end and the start (mostly by mistake).
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They are indeed slightly different mixes -

The original Facus2 12" has keyboards more prominently in the mix (at 7:38 where the keyboard solo starts:
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It seems this mix is also used on the first pressings of "Substance".
 
Subsequent pressings (+ "Heart and soul" etc) use a mix where guitars are more prominent (at 3:09   
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I guess it's another case of pulling the wrong tape when doing reissues, the mistake being H&S onwards?
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Yes, but it seems it was introduced some time between 1988 and 1992. I have a later Nimbus pressing of Facd250 which plays the later (incorrect?) mix. Somebody pointed out there was a sound quality problem somewhere in the 1st (correct) mix on Substance, and presumably therefore the different mix was used for later pressings (although they probably did not realise it at the time, that the mix was different)?
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Cheers gents , appreciate the assistance / clarity
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It's the UK cassette that has the non faded mix. I always assumed that this was a deliberate act designed to get you to buy both (cassette and cd / vinyl).
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