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JDW

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There's a striking similarity between both their vocals and that's a fantastic thing, what a beautiful voice to be influenced by.


I don't understand though because not a lot seems to be suggested that Ian was even a fan of The Doors. Some sources disagree but no sources are in agreement.

Was Ian Curtis a Doors fan or not? Let's face it, the trans-ion from An Ideal for Living to Unknown Pleasures is one of the most fascinating, I can imagine it was a conscious effort to sound different vocally.

Sorri if this has been asked before. Thanks. 
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My guess: everyone and their dog listened to The Doors at some point or another and thus was influenced in some way or another by something or the other but no, I don't believe Ian was consciously trying to mimic Jim Morrison. From what I can gather, my understanding/belief is that Ian's vocal change was due in part to 1) ageing (maturity); 2) drugs; 3) smoking. What else made him change his delivery only Ian would know :-)
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and his delivery is beautiful. Thanks for the comment [smile]
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They used to do a live cover of "Riders on the Storm" on one or more occassions, did you know?
And if you compare "No Love Lost" to "the Changeling" from the Doors' "L.A. Woman", what would you say?
I wonder if Ian was aware of Jim Morrisson's grave when they were in Paris.
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What... that is crazy, is there any footage of that online?

I don't really see the comparisons between the changeling and no love lost though.
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It's the part after the intro, the verse part of No Love Lost, when there is a certain similarity with the intro of the Changeling.
It's in the melodic pattern of a-a-a c-b c-b-c a-a-a
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i don't know where i read it but it was stated that ian missed to visit morrisons grave on their honeymoon-trip to ('allo 'allo?) france when visiting a festival with an appending 'peek' to paris (ask debbie about feeling uncomfortable) & ian's known for being 'measured' with jim by numerous music journalists......so,everyone can make their own conclusions....besides the infamous 'riders in the storm' cover.
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It's a pretty boring grave though, Jim's at the Père Lachaise cemetery (you should see those of Oscar Wilde or Eugene Delacroix by comparison, those are spectacular).
I even have understood that they later re-located the grave, because Doors fans were damaging the surrounding tombstones by carving into them. Stupid stuff like "This way to Jim".
Thank goodness they chose to cremate Ian. I can vividly imagine what it would be like if it were his grave there, with idiots carving arrows elsewhere with lines like "This Is The Way, Step Inside", or "How I Wish You Were Here With Me Now". Some fans just don't have any sense of (self) respect.
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I'm pretty sure I read that Martin Hannett suggested that Ian should sing in an American accent. I could be wrong.
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Let's not forget that there are those early photographs of Ian in Leather trousers (had to be a Jim Morrison fan thing).

When I first heard Unknown Pleasures (as a kid not knowing anything much about the band members) I wondered if the lead singer actually was American. When I finally got to hear Ian speak on one of those bootleg 7" interview discs I was shocked at the fairly high pitched speaking voice (sounding like the character Ashley from Coronation Street).

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My understanding of the leather trouser thang is that they were a holdover from the glam rock concept. But of course The Doors were long before glam, so you may be right. Or it could just be as Ian's sister said in "Torn Apart" that Ian was always simply chic. I mean, look at those sharp boots he wears on the "Shadowplay" video; those are pretty cutting edge IMO. Now, how and why Ian went from chic to ....well, neo-nazi and drab is a question I've not seen answered and I'd very much like an answer to that.
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I did listen to The Doors a lot when I was between 12 or 13 and 16 or 17. When I was 17 in 1981 Joy Division became my favourite band.
The song that reminds me the most of Morrison is "Candidate".

"I campaigned for nothing, I've worked hard for this..."

A lot of the times I sing this song in my head, Morrison comes inbetween out of nowhere and the two songs become one in a way...

"My wild love went ridin'
She rode all the day"


It's not so much the melodic impact, it's more about the way Morrison "declamates". The way the note and the accentuation shifts within a single word like "nothing" (Ian) and "day" (Morrison).

Reminds me of the fact that "Waiting for The Sun" was the album that influenced Hannett more than any other album when he produced Joy Division. He used to listen to it as a "reference track" when working on Joy Division tracks.

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