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Nashville Rooms? 
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That picture's from Liverpool, October 1979...

Don't think that the mystery picture is either Liverpool or Birmingham as Barney's playing the Shergold in that one whereas he was using the Gibson SG by the time of the Liverpool gig...
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Isolated, the photo was taken on 2nd October 1979, Mountford Hall, Liverpool University.  The light rigging is very specific as a clue, and this is very visible in many images from this gig.

 

Additionally, if you look at the Kevin Cummins photo http://www.veooz.com/photos/8H12qXx.html you will see your definite confirmation as the big transportation case behind Ian Curtis is identical to your photo, and more importantly both the light-rigging and the case have not moved in both/all photos.

 

Please brighten your image so that this will be clear to see. 



Nice find, I wouldn't take the lighting rig as a clue though, these mobile units belong to a crew who hired 'em out, they went everywhere - though their owners name escapes, instead I was looking more at the foldback monitor - and the white cabling, as you rightly point out the flight cases are also a clue. One thing I am cetain of though is that stage is a pigsty - I would never have left a stage in that condition - so it must have been Liverpool :-) 

To be honest I thought that was me good self stood behind the box (white shirt) when I first saw the pic, so I was put in mind of the Stuff The Superstars big boys all day bash, crisps optional.

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Ref the 'baseball boots' pic, here's my original comments in a thread on here almost a decade ago back in 2005 

http://lwtua.websitetoolbox.com/post/bristol-5th-march-1980-262150?trail=25&highlight=bryn


Hi - I'm the 'Pat' who posted the photo of Ian onstage in baseball boots on the Angelfire site a few years back .....

I have always wondered from what gig the pic was taken at - and back in the late '80's I sent Neil Woodvine a copy - and he made an educated guess at either Loughborough or Derby on the Buzzcocks tour.

I have the original b/w 10" x 8" photo - which interestingly includes the following contact details on the backside (who i presumed to be the photographer) :-

"Bryn Jones,
213 Pasture Rd
Stapleford, Nottingham"

I did write to this address in the late '80's - but never received a reply. If anyone can shed any fact on the location of this gig, I'd love to know. Cheers, Pat"
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Away from the main theme, but staying with the sub-theme for awhile (confused? I am) two Joy Division gigs we were involved with which I can't find any record of - but I know happened.
For both gigs we filled the support spot and also supplied the PA (no connection there then hey ;-) 
The first took place in the Lancashire hills somewhere (Bolton, Bury ?) the venue was a Miners Social Club, a large (circular?) building which stood om it's own ground. I remember this gig because I nearly lost my little finger removing a snapped e string.
The second gig took place in Moss SIde, upstairs in one of the large pubs, (the room was also utilised for rehearsals) the stand out memory was Ian's foul mood during the sound check (worse than usual) the 'basket ball' shoe picture put me in mind of this gig, no stage / carpet floor - I'm still not ruling it out 100% as the venue for the photo)

Can anyone shed any light on these gigs? 

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Bleedin 'ell. I believe I've asked him before but why doesn't this man write a book? One of the very few blokes around at that time who's still right in the head. I'll do it mesen if he doesn't bloody frame!
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Good sleuthing everyone. I think it's quite possible as previously suggested that it's an undocumented gig. Think I was wrong with Birmingham.

The Liverpool pic: the mic stand is a different type and looks like a cheaper version than the hydraulic version in the original pic and Bernard has a mic set up that isn't featured. The mic (Shure 58) would be common place in most venues so not really important -  Ian is wearing black trousers and light shirt in the original pic and the opposite in the Liverpool pics. 

I'm more concerned that Ian looks like Shakin' Stevens though.
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Good sleuthing everyone. I think it's quite possible as previously suggested that it's an undocumented gig. Think I was wrong with Birmingham.

The Liverpool pic: the mic stand is a different type and looks like a cheaper version than the hydraulic version in the original pic and Bernard has a mic set up that isn't featured. The mic (Shure 58) would be common place in most venues so not really important -  Ian is wearing black trousers and light shirt in the original pic and the opposite in the Liverpool pics. 

I'm more concerned that Ian looks like Shakin' Stevens though.


I still believe this shot was taken during the sound check, during a song run through to be more precise, hence the clothing and the amount of cases littering the scene.

The mic was probably Ian's own, (depending on the date) so would be the same, all others mic's are the PA company's.  If JD were supporting then mic stand configuration may well have changed for their spot.

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Disappointing. The dude I mentioned a while ago who was a bouncer at the F Club between 1977-1979 wasn't actually 'on the job' the nights JD played - nor did he work at Futurama 79, just handled security at various other Queens Hall gigs. Too bad. However we might have tales afresh regarding the 'one person at Halifax Good Mood' fable. It may prove to be just that, when I've checked out a few more facts. Watch this space.
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Been lurking here for quite a while & thougjt i'd finally register. Great site!! this article is really interesting as I saw joy division at futurama One, it brought back some great memories, well some at least like everyone else there I was very drunk. Can I ask where did you get that skull picture from at the top? Is it from a venue joy division played?
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Greetings & welcome to JD Central. Glad you liked the Yorkshire piece, THANKS. I'll answer your question in the next few days, bit of an involved story. Meantime please PM me with your Futurama recollections! I'm hoping to regularly update the article whenever new info comes to light; started out with practically nothing and count on dudes like you to fill in the gaps.
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& info was collected here from various concerts too,which is a nice back-info 'basement',if you will:
http://lwtua.websitetoolbox.com/?forum=29069
presenting info & pics like this:
this is the crisis i knew had to come……joy division the factory hulme 11 april 1980@rchive dm shoebox source

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@Hard Times: In answer to your question about that photograph, no, it's not from a JD venue. Nice idea though. It is in fact a picture of the 'Buslingthorpe Skulls', a 250-year old sandstone sculpture that used to be mounted on a factory wall in Leeds city centre. Legend has it they were commissioned by the landlord of The Crown & Fleece boozer in memory of two unfortunate blokes who had been press-ganged by the army and imprisoned for the night in a rather smelly stable next to the pub. Apparently they snuggled down into the straw in order to keep warm and ended up being gassed to death by ammonia fumes from the pools of horse urine which liberally scattered the establishment's floor. Adds a whole new depth of meaning to 'taking the piss', wouldn't you say? 

Anyway, the building was demolished in 1974 and the skulls vanished for ages then turned up cemented into the wall of a 'brutalist' office block in Buslingthorpe where they remain to this day. The photo was chosen because it kind of summed up the decaying lost-and-found atmosphere of the article and it's an iconic Yorkshire image without being too obvious. In addition the original factory wall was down Crown Court, very close to Brannigan's/The F Club on Call Lane, and Buslingthorpe is just down the road from The Primrose (where Warsaw are rumoured to have played) and a couple of streets away from Roots in Chapeltown so a nice if somewhat vague JD connection there.


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thanks! Whereabouts is the office block exactly, i'd like to have a look! I know Leeds quite well but not heard of this [smile]
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It's on the Buslingthorpe Lane - Scott Hall Road junction. Opposite side of the road to The Sheepscar pub. You'll find it next to a big car repair garage, can't miss it really. The block is occupied by several companies, a carpet store, furniture warehouse, various offices etc. The skulls can't be seen from the road; they're round the back, cemented into the wall between the ground & first floors - for this reason no-one seems to know who they actually belong to; the manager of the furniture place told me they were the property of the housing office above, and the lady in there wasn't even aware of the skulls' presence until I went in to ask permission to take a photograph. Bizarre. There was some talk a few years ago of moving them back to the city centre but what with the ownership issue and Leeds City Council having rather bigger fish to fry, nothing ever came of it.

Oh, and if you really are planning a visit do make sure it's during 'business hours'; obviously it's private property but there are lots of comings & goings in the daytime so nobody will take notice of you, but the gate is locked at 5pm and if you're spotted vaulting it there's a strong likelihood some community-spirited citizen will call the police - lots of burglaries in that area. Have fun.



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I know I am a little late however, I cannot let it pass without adding my thanks and appreciation for such a studious and comprehensive labour of love that you have presented.

Right down from the 'Buslingthorpe Skulls' image, to the long list of now forgotten music venues, scene to the energy and ferocity of so many a concert from days gone by.  It is a real gem of a piece.

Surely, this could be the first step in a comprehensive book on the subject, eventually covering all of Joy Division's concerts?  It might be a dream I know, but the power of the music of Joy Division is far reaching and even just reading of the venues that held the events strikes a chord with so many like-mined Joy Division fans.


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Thanks Elesium. Way too kind. Must emphasize being local gave me a definite edge as, although never seeing JD live, I grew up around many of the venues, most notably Roots, Brannigan's and The Revolution in York (or Casanova's as I knew it, a right pretentious shit-hole). 

A book is a splendid idea; Mark Johnson made a grand attempt with his workaday 'An Ideal For Living' but seems to me he relied (with the exception of a few already well-documented gigs) upon anecdotal evidence, which is no evidence at all - a classic example being the Leeds University entry where he describes "20-30 people fainting as they were crushed against the stage". No-one I spoke to who was there can recall any such thing. So I think a book would have to be a collaboration between regional enthusiasts, Manchester (probably the most knotty of problems with all those ad-hoc Warsaw gigs), London and the provinces, Norfolk, Merseyside, Scotland, Wales and so on. Hell of a job. But it could be done.



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Hello

I've just skimmed through your JD in Yorkshire articles, it's too late to read them properly.

I have no information about the Halifax 1, but I did start attending the club shortly after Joy Division played there, as soon as I had a chance of passing as 18. What I would say is that the likelihood of their being 1 person there is almost nil it will be a Hook/band exaggeration, the Good Mood was an old hippys club that jumped on the punk band wagon and these (to me) old hippys were there everyweek regardless of the act and musical style, it was the one place they could carry on drinking after 11 and be with like minded people, so there will have been a good number of paying customers, there were two floors so it's quite possible that the Joy Division stage area wasn't well attended and most people were upstairs (the second floor), my guess on it would be that people actually stood watching the band will have been a very small number, but whenever a band played there was always people around the edge of the room and at the bar area.

On a related note The Happy Mondays reckon they played to about 8 at The Old Cock in Halifax. That's probably spot on.

The statement that the venue was above Dolcis is correct, Dolcis is where the gift shop is now, so the Good Mood was not above the Sex Shop.  http://www.lilyfogg.com/index.html 

I did see Joy Division supporting the Buzzcocks at St Georges Hall Bradford.

Cleopatra's- Huddersfield  I went to see The Fall there in 1980, and The Bunnymen although when i got there the Bunnymen gig was cancelled.
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Most interesting, cheers for this! I'm currently corresponding with someone who situates the stage on the second floor, 'with a bar that I never saw open' so all the drinking took place on the floor below where the 'proper' bar was. And I was assured by several locals The Good Mood extended beyond Dolci's and over the 'adult' shop, though no-one seems to recall what the latter was back in 1979. This guy does agree with your observation about the 'one person' myth; he was actually there the evening JD played and says the number was closer to a dozen or so. Please PM me over the weekend with your email address; I'd like to chat about this some more - and Bradford St George's. THANKS.
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Thanks for the very extensively researched article which was a fascinating read. It was particular interest to me as I am from Huddersfield. However my family moved down South in the seventies so I only saw Joy Division at the Rainbow as a 13 year old lad!
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You're welcome old boy...and there's more to come; last Sunday I came across another geezer who was at The Good Mood in Halifax the night JD played, he's got a nice tale to tell. I'll be updating the piece shortly.
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Tremendous - looking forward to that. Also looking forward to Hooky at Picturedrome on Friday, with Joy a Division support set.
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Likely I'll be there myself! It's a toss-up between Holmfirth and Jimmy Cliff at the O2 in Leeds. Gawd knows how I'm going to get home from the former though; that's what's putting me off a little. Will probably end up under the arches. Just like old times. Be about a month before the article is updated; all kinds of exciting new information to unravel. Another promoter has come to light too; he put on JD at Bradford Royal Standard and others, I'm in the middle of tracking him down as we speak.
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I'll also be at the Picturedrome, looking forward to hearing the Movement stuff as well as the JD set. Hopefully it's as rocking as last year's gig!
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