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GazLaz

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Hello everyone, really pleased to have found this site and look forward to interacting with people. I've been looking at some of the info on the site for a while now but not used the message board, here goes!

I was one of the lucky ones to see Joy Division play several times in 1979 and into 1980. Purely by chance initially, I was one of the 30 or so that saw the first Hope and Anchor gig. I'd been there the week before to see Joe Jackson and met this girl there, and went back as soon as possible to see if she was a regular. She wasn't there but Joy Division were. Although to be fair they weren't great, I became more interested after hearing the Peel session and reading more about them in the music press. All I can remember from that first gig was that the stage was the opposite end to where it is now, but just as low (saw a Joy Division tribute band called Joy Revision play there a couple of years ago to a much bigger crowd). They did about nine songs including all of the Ideal for Living EP, Digital and Glass, plus what I later learned were Shadowplay and Transmission, and I think Walked in Line. Might have been another one too but can't honestly remember.

Their second H&A gig was better, mostly different material that included She's Lost Control and what was to become my favourite, Ice Age. The repeated encore song was Transmission.

Next time I saw them was nearly the last time, they were awful! At the Acklam Hall on the Portobello Road, they opened with Atmosphere and it was dreadful, out of tune and tinny, and Ian was so flat it was painful. I will admit to starting to wonder whether the media hype was misplaced. I only recognised Insight, Transmission, She's Lost Control and Warsaw. No idea what the last number was, may even have been a cover. It was a mess.

Next one I got to was also in West London, at the Nashville on my 18th birthday. This was a revelation. I was delighted they opened with Exercise One, this was the first time I'd heard Colony or Autosuggestion. Set list on this site is slightly wrong, She's Lost Control and Atmosphere were the last two. It was still as bad as it had been in May. Regrettably I didn't get to the Electric Ballroom show, I was away on holidays at the time, bad timing!

October 1979 I took up a place at Loughborough University, and had been there about a week when the Buzzcocks tour hit town, with my favourite band as support! Recall it was a Sunday night, and me and my mates enjoyed the show so much we decided to make the most of having access to a Mini Traveller van, so we went to Sheffield, Derby, Birmingham and Leicester as well, all being within pretty easy reach. We’d become Buzzcocks fans by then, and having Joy Division as support was just fantastic, particularly as they had improved so much and were starting to get the recognition they deserved. The Loughborough gig was the best of all of the ones I saw in the October run of shows, both bands were great I thought. Joy Division opened with what I recognised as Walked in Line and Shadowplay, but then played mostly new songs and ended with a massive I Remember Nothing.

Sheffield was another amazing experience, even if the venue was a bit ropey. Joy Division opened with Love Will Tear Us Apart, and the set was mixed with Unknown Pleasures and unreleased material, but curiously the last song, Day of the Lords, was done as a short instrumental with Ian nowhere to be seen. I didn’t see him leave the stage after Transmission but he must have done. Now of course we know what the likely reason was, but back then I certainly wasn’t aware of any underlying problems.

Can’t honestly remember very much about Derby other than it was incredibly loud and Steve’s syndrums on Insight left an impression on my ears for weeks! Didn’t realise they were drums, thought it was a keyboard. Got a feeling they did two songs where Hooky and Bernard swapped over guitar and bass, we know what those songs were nowadays of course but they were new to me at the time.

The Birmingham gig was a strange one, we spent most of the Joy Division set chatting to some girls at the edge of the foyer so missed seeing the band but heard them loud and clear. Can’t remember what they played though, sorry.

Leicester De Montfort Hall was a week later, and was beset with problems, they had equipment failures and it was all new songs apart from Transmission. Think they only did half a dozen songs, seemed shorter than the other gigs. Could have been another seizure I suppose. Seem to recall that there was more guitar/bass swapping as well.

The only other one I got to see was in April 1980, I was home in London for the Easter holidays and found out they were playing with the Stranglers at the Rainbow in Finsbury Park. Somehow I didn’t know anything about the Factory nights at the Moonlight in West Hampstead, which was nearer home and would have been a lot more fun! Memory is failing me on some aspects of the Rainbow night, I do know they did a short set that featured a woefully out of tune Decades, didn’t know the song at the time obviously but I recalled the “where have they been” line when I heard Closer. Ian definitely had a seizure during the last song, the first time I’d actually seen one. A scary moment as he fell into the drums and was basically removed from the stage.

Didn’t get another chance to see them, sadly. The journey that led to the sun had finished. Never did see Lizzie again either.
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Wow! Some quality recollections here, and not many can claim to have seen the band ten times! Glad you came to see Joy Revision, were you the chap who came up to me after one of our H&A shows and asked why we'd done Temptation as an encore when we'd played a JD set?

Just realised that some of the stuff here corroborates the info we had about seven years ago about some of these Buzzcocks tour shows, and don't think we had much about the H&A show and nothing at all about the Acklam Hall date. Thanks!
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@gaz
thanks for sharing.........

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Glad you came to see Joy Revision, were you the chap who came up to me after one of our H&A shows and asked why we'd done Temptation as an encore when we'd played a JD set?


Ha yes that was me. Couldn't understand it when there were so many Joy Division songs you could have played. Great night though, enjoyed it and was pretty nostalgic for me.
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Brilliant recollections Gaz .... thank you so much for sharing ... so lucky to have seen so many of the early London gigs and beyond [thumb]

Do you have any gig tickets / flyers / photos from those days ...would be great to see a few pics on here if so.

Still amazes me the development of the band over such a relatively short period of time  ...going from still playing such small gigs and entry point venues in early '79, through to the Buzzcocks support slot and beyond ...and all the songs that were refined or written along the way.


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Hi, totally new to this site - love it, currently on a night shift (I'm a psychiatric nurse) so hopefully during downtime I can get to read some more posts.
3 things:
1 I <3 Joy Division...body & soul!
2 I saw Joy Division live - at Leeds Futurama festival 1998?
3 I have a Joy Division inspired tattoo which I may upload sometime soon.

Right that's all for my introductory post, as I've got to get back to work.
A big thanks for making this site & all its wonderful interesting bits...Joy Division are eternal!

bye 4 now

peace & love x

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Hi and welcome,hope you enjoy yourself here and can fill those empty working hours with content.
just on a side note,check that date in  your post....its a bit off.

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8th September 1979: Futurama One Festival, Queen's Hall, Leeds

is the correct date! (I was 14 at the time!!!)

cool thanks for welcome message 😉

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here's the tattoo I got done in march (possibly)...
its kinda cat head shaped
with random watercolour here n there just to make it a bit more colourful
& unknown pleasures wavelength lines of the ...what was it again some star-type-thing...(gonna google it now)

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/sa-visual/pop-culture-pulsar-origin-story-of-joy-division-s-unknown-pleasures-album-cover-video/

“[Radio pulsars] are thought to be rotating neutron stars: huge, spinning ‘nuclei’ that contain some 1057 protons and neutrons…. The large clump of nuclear matter, which has a mass about equal to that of the sun, is compressed into a sphere with a radius on the order of 10 kilometers. Consequently, the density of the star is enormous, slightly greater than the density of ordinary nuclear matter, which is itself some 10 trillion times denser than a lead brick. Currents of protons and electrons moving within the star generate a magnetic field. As the star rotates, a radio beacon, ignited by the combined effect of the magnetic field and the rotation, emanates from it and sweeps periodically through the surrounding space, rather like a lighthouse beam. Once per revolution the beacon cuts past the earth, giving rise to the beeping detected by radio telescopes.”

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8th September 1979: Futurama One Festival, Queen's Hall, Leeds

is the correct date! (I was 14 at the time!!!)

Yep, Futurama gig - I went with some mates who I later joined & we got a band together 'Pagan Idols' - we did 2 demo's & a few gigs around Leeds & Halifax & Bradford & Huddersfield & kinda fizzled out after 1985. But I digress I went to this gig with green food colouring dyed hair - which when it rained made half my face go green! My mate who was 13 at the time was a diabetic & he injected himself with insulin in the toilets & security thought he was injecting heroin (oh we did laugh our socks off I tell you - he's dead now, sad to say R.i.P Tom, he was an amazing drummer also - bit dubious in his politics earlier on but then went full socialist [after he lost the nationalist bit....], it was the diabetes that killed him too early).
By the way I am know to digress & wander off at tangents when I talk, write or whatevs - a bit chaotic rather than organised....I know to any story there should be a beginning a middle & an end - but I get a bit bored of 'normal stuff'
Yeah so 14 year old at this huge gig, water (I hope it was water) gushing out of the toilets making various lakes here & there, & all these bands playing...it was all a blur, a bit of a daze but of course I remember clearly seeing PiL. I mean I'd been listening to Never Mind the Bollocks on constant replay (thanks to my big brother who was into the 1st wave of punk) John Lydon was a bit of a git I recall but then everyone was hassling him to play sex pistols stuff so I can imagine the reasons why he wasn't super joyous.

and that was most of my memories for a decade or 3 - until about 2 or 4 years ago I was writing to someone on a message board similar to this....and I looked at a flyer for the Futurama gig & lo! Joy Division were on the bill - so I cast around in that weird place called memory...& thunk ALOT!.....& out of the grey haze I recall this band being a bit grumpy or not very joyful - appearing to me to have worn greatcoats & playing this awesome music. that's it I'm afraid - a very hazy - out of focus recollection, but on further revisions of the memory it definitely appears to be the band Joy Division.
I remember Punishment of luxury also & Stranger than Fiction - which I thought were the best band I saw that night.

a couple or few years later Joy Division became one of my most favourite bands ever & I'd spend days & days listening to the album & cassettes I had of them over & over - often with a friend or 2 & we'd turn the lights off & kinda just wallow in the experience.

Its weird cuz I was/am an anarcho punk throughout the 80's - 90's (& I still am but the frippery or the Dandyesque clothes kinda just drift away at times, I mean I've still got bondage trousers [seriously] and all the diy hardcore band t-shirts & patched clothes but I can't wear them for work etc yet my heart is still anarcho-punk!) anyway my other most favourite band ever was the Mob - their album: let the tribe increase was on constant rotation also. but I've semi fallen outta love with the Mob's album, to me it feels ever so slighty dated - whereas unknown pleasures, heart & soul...sorry I mean Closer, still and the singles - atmosphere & love will tear us apart - sound as fresh as if produced/made today - they have an eternal timeless quality to them that never disappoints & Ian's lyrics - ethereal, sublime, labyrinthine, the essence of poetics, romantic, on & on - inspirational, yet engulf one in depths of a sense one never knew we had.

 I have a friend (punk internet friend lol) who is a dustbin man in Macclesfield, lives down the road from Ian & Deborah's house. one day about 8 years ago (?) he sent me a link on ebay - 'for sale, Ian Curtis's dining room table' - its a weird weird world sometimes isn't it.....and no, I did not enter into a bidding war for it!

Back in 1993 I even had a girlfriend in south Wales - where I lived at the time primarily because she had a Joy Division T-shirt, I had a Bauhaus one on so she out-classed me 😉

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Thanks for adding.....no matter how sparse recollections are,still a great story.
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