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Hi !
 
1) I'm french, and I'm going to Manchester 2 days in September.
I would like to know if the real adress of the Russell Club in Royce Road ? What's the number in Royce Road ?
I know Russell Club does not exist anymore, but I would like to know the name of the pub or club who has subsituted the Russell Club.
 
 
2) Does The Apollo Theatre always exist ? (Apollo Theatre, Stockport Road, Ardwick, M12 
 
3) The Hacienda Club does not exist anymore?
What's the number in Whitworth Street where we could find the Hacienda.
what has subsituted the Hacienda ?
 
4) Do you think going to Strawberry Recording studios is a good choice ?
What can we see there about Joy Division ?
5) I will go to Macclesfield (barton Street and Cemetary)
What I can do else ?
 
Thank very Much for your help !
 
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Hi Emmanuel (and welcome)
 
A visit to Little Peter Street would be well worthwhile, this being the site of TJ Davidsons Rehearsal and (ahem) recording studio and the place where the lads would have spent most of their (musical) time,  They're used to be a 'greasy' cafe on the corner where we'd all go and have a bacon buttie and a mug of sweet tea (maybe not your idea of haute cuisine - but it was for us ), sitting on the step in the summer, or a trip to the Gaythorne pub, located at the other end of the road - if it's still there, call in for a pint, this is where JD had there first interview, Mick Middles being the journalist, I don't know if Mick knows this, but the lads (including Rob) where totally ecstatic at the prospect of being interviewed - even if it may not have quite appeared that way at the time, they were hyper when they came back to our room in Davidson's,
 I believe the original Rope-works are longer there, but you'll get a good feel of the place, and the site of the old Hacienda is just around the corner, here's a pic and map, it'll give some idea of what the place looked like back then....I must remember to call round there myself when I'm next over......
I left Manchester some time ago, so I couldn't answer your other questions, I'm sure the guys will fill you in (I know that the Apollo is still standing proud)
 
Don't forget your camera, and have a great time...
 
(All - A flat located at 35 Little Peter Street is currently on the market - could this be the ultimate  'feather in the cap' for the serious Joy Division collector - looking out onto the views and feeling the mojo)
 
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1. The Russell Club is long gone and it might even be difficult to spot where it used to be, the area has changed a lot in the last few years. The Grants Arms is the pub across the road, and I think it's still there.

2. The Apollo is still there, not much to see unless you are attending a gig there though and can go inside.

3. The Hacienda is now flats called 'The Hacienda', completely different building though as they retained nothing of the original.

4. Strawberry Studios is still there and looks the same outside, though inside the studio itself is long gone.
http://www.mdmarchive.co.uk/archive/showartefact.php?aid=1988&vid=336
Also, while you're there you might be able to figure out where the band were standing in some of those photos from the time as the area hasn't changed all that much since.

This is just around the corner from Strawberry:



So is this:



5. Macclesfield is much the same as ever. So worth a visit.

The rehearsal rooms on Little Peter Street were demolished in the 80s and apart from The Boardwalk building, the street looks very different, even the gas tanks you can see across the end of the street in old JD photos have long gone.

I wouldn't even bother trying to find the sites of The Electric Circus or The Mayflower, probably nothing to see there.

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Salut Manouch,

J'étais à Manchester en Juin dernier et un ami quiétais étudiant à la fin des années 70 m'a fait faire une bien belle balade: de "L'Hacienda" au "Russel Club".
Avant d'arriver à "L'Hacienda" tu passeras devant la salle de concert où New Order a fait un de ses premiers concerts "le Ritz"."L'Hacienda " s'appelle désormais "Hacienda Appartements" et dans l'angle en remontant légèrement face au pont de cemin de fer tu appercevras le "G-Mex".
Pour atteindre le "Russell" tu devras descendre vers le "Crescent" en passant sur le pont où le photographe Kevin Cummins a photographié JD à l'hiver79.
Il ne reste rien du "Russell Club" juste un bout de gazon qui fait face à un sorte de MJC pour la communauté jamaicaine si mes souvenirs sont bons et une église.
"L'Appolo" est situé sur la route qui descent vers "Heaton Chappell/Stockport" ainsi que le "Strawberry Studio" qui est situé sur un route perpendiculaire à la route principale qui traverse "Stockport" du Nord au Sud.
Pour le cimetère de Macclesfield: appelle les avant car il est souvent fermé!...
Si tu veux de plus amples infos : appelle-moi au 0155439807 (après 19h)  sinon j'habite Paris et je m'appelle Viet!
Tu peux lire ma chronique sur "Control" sur le site foutraque.com à la rubrique "Ciné".

A+

Viet

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salut Viet,

j'habite sur PAris aussi.
Je t'appelle ce soir si t'es dispo.
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Salut Manu,

Je serai chez moi à17h45.
Si tu es pas loin du 15ème passe à la maison, je te passerai des plans et je te montrerai ma collection de JD (+30 CDs et des millliers d'autres!...).
N'hésite pas à appeler + tôt voir à passer.

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The rehearsal rooms on Little Peter Street were demolished in the 80s and apart from The Boardwalk building, the street looks very different, even the gas tanks you can see across the end of the street in old JD photos have long gone.



Still worth a having a look though, I wonder if Pete the janitors ghost roams around the new building (complete with Alsatian)

is the Gaythorne Pub still standing? don't tell me that's also gone....
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is that the one on the corner past The Boardwalk? I would be surprised if it had gone though I haven't been down the street for some time so I'm not sure.
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http://www.enkiri.com/joy/77bs/77bs_f.html

I don't know if you have seen this.
Anyway, Here you can see, a french man who lives in a bed & Breakfast in 1986 in Macclesfield.
This Bed & Breakfast was the 77, Barton Street. It was Dorothy Smith's House in 1986.
Michel Enkiri (french man) could have taken a few photos.


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Briton's Protection pub is still there, IC used to go in there.
It's near where the Hacienda was.
Gaythorne's been demolished apparently.

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Have you seen this site's listing? http://www.joydiv.org/places.htm

Although, as has been pointed out above, the Hacienda isn't there anymore - you can easily spot the location as the new building has a similar rounded front (on the corner Whitworth Street / Albion Street). It's just round the corner from Little Peter Street mentioned above (which apart from the Boardwalk also houses what used to be Anthony H Wilson's loft apartment and the Factory Too offices).

Dry Bar (28 Oldham Street) is still open, although it is a shadow of its former self. There's still one or two original features inside though.

If you're going this autumn, it is probably worth taking in the Hacienda exhibition at Urbis: http://www.urbis.org.uk/exhibitions.asp



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Jeezo there's nothing left, I turn me back for one minute......

PS, if you check the first pic above you'll witness that Hooky was in-fact the first person in the world to own a mobile 'phone, trouble is, he had to wait 10 years for someone to own the 2nd mobile phone. Meanwhile, the other three (almost a good name for a band) are using that tried and tested method of communication - semaphore - they're saying - look at that dafty talking to himself again - who's got the ball?

Whilst in the second picture,
Hooky 'HELLO...HELLO...COME IN PLEASE...I'M IN STOCKPORT, OVER'
Barny 'will yer pack it in yer daft apeth we're avin argh phota took'

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Hi !

Thank you very much for your help.
That's all I wanted to know.
I won't forget my camera.




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The Mayflower, Manchester, just prior to demolition in 1985.




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   They knocked that brilliant piece of architecture and design down...!!!    

                              THE HEATHENS  !
   
   Another theatre / cinema / yacht showroom !!! /  Brought to rubble,any idea whats in its place ?

  
      

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The Mayflower, Manchester, just prior to demolition in 1985.


...and looking looking just like it was back in '78, it was cold, damp and not a little dangerous, (but who cared....)

It would have probably fell down on it's own anyhow.

oh how the passing of time tends to mist our memory.


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They've fucking knocked everything down ain't they

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Some of it's for the better though, I am looking at getting a flat where TJ Davidson's was, or maybe the Hacienda site.

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Now that's dedication!
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Think I preferred Manchester when it was a "shitole" (or is it still?). It was certainly more interesting, although it was a tough job finding a decent frothy coffee.

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Goes for pretty much everywhere [except, strangely, Macc!]. London's little old streets are pretty much gone, Kings Cross is flattened and rebuilt in steel and glass, and virtually every old building, warehouse, wharf, store, they're all being converted to flats or luxury apartments, everywhere in the South East.

Even the biggest shithole is fair game now, places you wouldn't even go for a leak on the way back from the pub!


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    And just to continue the shithole vein !
       Here in the west country,old dis-used Public toilet blocks are either being pulled down or in one mad mans case converted to a dwelling ! 
AND he kept one of the original WC`s !!
Us locals use the hedges here anyway.

        And back to Joy Division places was the Electric circus that bad ?
        Anyone have any memories.....

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I echo that - Welcome back Bedge!


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In London, a few of those underground public bogs were converted into trendy restaurants!


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