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Health and Safety killed everything - all those little dungeons, cellars, back rooms, with [horrors of horrors] people smoking and occasionally having sex in public, bars charging exhorbitant amounts for half-sized cans of Harp lager [warm please] and bands that seemed to rehearse onstage rather than work it out before, but who cared?  Seriously, you knew the guy in the corner sold speed, the black guy sold weed, the DJ didn't do requests, and if you stepped out of line the chances were you'd get a good kicking. You knew the danger, and let's face it, half the fun was getting to the place alive, avoiding the skinhead faction, queerbashers, anyone who wanted to have a fight...then you walked in and the hostility of the 70's and 80s was there in the air, tribalism as strong as ever.

Now it's paper covers on the toilets and wave-your-hand flush machines, bouncers with licences called doormen,  antiseptic cleaner sprayed on the bar and plastic glasses behind it. Bands are now Karaoke or jukeboxes [cheaper to hire the fucking band], and smoking must be done in a doorway with at least 75% exposure to the air 100 yards down the street. Tribalism is replaced by safety, anonymous brands from Primarni or Next, lookalikes everywhere, drinking identi-beer just like up the road at Bar #2, and the only raised voices come from the IQ machine in the corner when Jason disagrees with Angus' choice of answer to the question "Whatever happened to the British Pub?"


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Does anyone know when TJD's was demolished? Someone must have had that door away before then surely??

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Slumpy - Good post, and pretty accurate summation.
Its way more dangerous walking the streets these days to any pub, club or venue - as opposed to actually being inside it.

Keef - I last visited The Boardwalk in 1990 ..... and im pretty sure that TJ Davidsons no longer existed then ..... as I looked for it at the time.

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At least back in the day the worst you'd expect is a kicking, now it's mace and a knife in the ribs for crossing the road in front of some 14-year old wannabe gangster [as long as  Mummy doesn't find out]. Wannabe black, wannabe a Merkin, wannabe something I'm not...at least punk was punk, you did it or you didn't, you were yourself, not some pathetic tenth-rate copy of a black [c]rap artist from another country, who's culture is  so far removed from  their own that they cannot understand. In Southend they call them "Whiggers", standing for White Ns. All driving what they perceive as pimp-mobiles, but more likely Mummy's hatchback with loud 'music' playing so that they can't hear it, but the poor bastard three streets away has to shut his window.

The UK is full of US-inspired dullards with no sense of need, no hunger, no deprivation, no DRIVE. They see glitter and gold and just fall for it all, instant gratification all the way. Rehearse? Play LIVE? Behave yourself, the man behind the mixing desk said we'd never have to sing that awful song again, just mime along to the tapes.

"We all wannabe Kerry Catona. Famous for, erm, being, erm...famous!"


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I'm not...at least punk was punk, you did it or you didn't, you were yourself, not some pathetic tenth-rate copy of a black [c]rap artist from another country, who's culture is  so far removed from  their own that they cannot understand.


I get what your saying but talking about bands from 'another country', and Punk, and being original, Lets just wind the clock back 30+ years, Iggy, VU, The Tubes, Television, The Electric Chairs, The Ramones, CBGB's, The Factory (Warhol's), Johnny Thunders & The Heartbreakers, The Voidoids, Max's Kansas City, Patti Smith, Suicide, the list goes on, and that's exactly where our lot got the idea from, (Even the Curtis dance / stare has its origins in Iggy)

All the red tops were saying pretty much the same when 'Punk' hit the streets, 'it's the end of the world as we know it' it's called youth, and teenagers have been doing this since, well since they learnt how to drink, smoke, shag, dance, sing etc etc, just so long as it upsets the previous generations. 

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At least you could see some kind of common ground between the Clash and the Ramones. Quite what makes a white kid want to be a black pimp gangster is beyond me, like me wanting to emulate a Mexican farmer!

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The world was a dangerous place back then, and do doubt still is. Talking of boozers, I'm reminded on one I used to go in with Terry, Barney and Hooky before we went to Pips. It was called The Manchester Arms (or The Mancy Arms). Anyone old enough to remember it?

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Thought you might be with a Roxy moniker like that. The Mancy Arms, what a place! Topless barmaids, dodgy strippers in the back room, dog turds on the carpet, virtually none of the punters with body bits in the right place, and the worst bogs in the West. Someone should revive it as a theme pub. Nowt compared to the Old Vic or Chico's El Bosa Nova club!

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Another rare pic of the Mayflower.


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MAYFLOWER CLUB RE-UNITED?

Artefacts on this site relating to the legendary punk club The Mayflower have traditionally garnered lots of comments from users who fondly remember those heady days of Manchester punk. A colour photo of the club taken by 'Abdom' in 1985 received a massive 103 comments - surely one of our most viewed images.

Now some friends of The Mayflower have come together to put on a new night in celebration of it.

The first 'Return of The Mayflower Club' is on Friday 27th of May at New York, New York, Bloom Street.

Check it out!

Remind yourself what all the fuss is about here:

http://www.mdmarchive.co.uk/archive/showartefact.php?vid=244


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BBC footage of Pips, Manchester, Roxy Room, April, 1977


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Found this on an old video tape the other day, has clips of the Boardwalk and the old Hulme just before demolition.
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Hi Everybody,
On next july, at the occasion of summer holidays in Great Britain, I will go for 2 days in Manchester ...
Any suggest on a Manchester Factory JD/NO "pilgrimage" (maps, routes welcomed)?
Thanks for helping & sharing.
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Franck

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http://www.joydiv.org/places.htm try looking this up, Franck. Hope this helps
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Thanks a lot, I will have a look [wink]


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http://www.joydiv.org/places.htm try looking this up, Franck. Hope this helps

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