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https://www.pinterest.com/pin/271693790001566068/ :    Joy Division road case ! Brought to the light of day again, finally, after sitting in storage, apparently, after almost 20 years since the photo from Roger Sargent. It has gotten rather dusty. Mr. Hook explained to me that he believes another band managed by Rob Gretton used it briefly back in the day at some point. I think Peter said "The Dogs", but he has a pretty thick accent, so I may stand correcting, although Rob had management with Slaughter and the Dogs. Joy Division started using this case at least by 1979, possibly earlier.  From  TJ Davidson's rehearsal studios, in and out of Pete's van, back and forth to all the gigs and back to Davidsons again. It also would have been taken in and out of Strawberry and Britannia Row Studios, for the recordings of Unknown Pleasures and Closer. No doubt handled by all the band mates, Mr. Sumner, Mr. Hook, Mr. Morris, and Mr. Ian Curtis, RIP.
      
  New Order took all four ( the number I have been told by Peter Hook ) Joy Division flight cases to New York City for the Pier 3 concert, 09 -28 - 1980, where all the cases including this one, and their instruments and their equipment, was stolen out of their truck, as one of their roadies didn't either lock the truck or set an alarm, according to different quotes from the band.    

     https://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/oct/24/new-order-equipment-stolen-new-york , = Stephens recollection. Stephen: Yeah we did, it was about 18 years later and Rick Derringer of all people the American guitarist, had a gig and what happened is the thieves would go to gigs in the New York area, they’d follow the band back to the hotel wait till the band went to bed, 9 out of 10 times the Roadies would have had an argument and forgot to disable the van and then they get in it to hotwire it and drive it off. Eagle eye Rick Derringer caught them in the act and then they went to a Youth Club and it was piled high to the rafters of bands gear and I think the gang was called ‘The Lost Tribe Of Israel’ they were keeping it but, we got it back, they’d done loads of bands by that time. Still got my Drum Kit that I got back from there, they had everybody’s ..." ( From  http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/articles/cb922cbf-49fe-4853-9e21-f61e9822a5d1 ) 

   " Having finally made their way to New York, all of their equipment was stolen, which broke a link with the past"   " http://sabotagetimes.com/music/ian-curtis-blue-monday-sock-water-new-order-interviewed
 < This article, where Bernard states, quote, "...it was Joy Division’s equipment... " valued at "45 thousand " British pounds   Subsequently, they were delighted when they were brought to the storage facility of the New York City Police Department, and shown their equipment which had been discovered recently before, secured from a warehouse filled with gear stolen of touring bands stolen by a local gang, for the band to re-claim. This case was likely destined for a Manhattan pawn shop, or who-knows-where ?                                                 
   
  
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https://rogersargent.carbonmade.com/projects/2608856#11  Photo of Mr. Sumner with this case. ( I hope Mr. Sargent does not mind the link being posted here. I have contacted him in this regards. ) Mr. Roger Sargent informed me that he took this photograph of Bernard with this case in the basement of the Hacienda about a week after they closed their doors, which was June 28, 1997. ( I contacted Mr. Sargent again about how I am posting this, but he hasn't got back to me yet about sharing the photo shoot info. I don't want him to have any issue with this post. ) It's amazing, and also quite rare that any musician gets a professional photographer to take a picture of them with a road case. What a photo ! With Bernard's eyes and expression, I think Bernard and Roger really captured the " musician that survived the music/business scene alive, remembering the dues he's paid, and the history that the band and the road case have gone through "
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The Joy Division flight case with a band photo fittingly from "Joy Division " hardcover by key JD photographer Mr. Kevin Cummins. 


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No automatic alt text available.   Close up of some of the countless unique markings. Scratches, nicks, bangs, and it looks like one of the band dumped drinks over the side. ( The lads have been said to enjoy a pint or two )  Maybe even a mark or two from the people who stole it out of Joy Division's rental truck ! http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2015/s4473064.htm   - Bernard mentions the stolen equipment in an interview. )     In another article, titled  "New Order held Curtis séance", and beginning with... " NEW ORDER held a seance to contact the spirit of their late bandmate IAN CURTIS in the hope he could tell them where to locate their stolen equipment after a theft. "They keep calling me", I can hear Ian wail ! " Here is another of Bernard's mystical and paranormal means of gathering information, just as he hypnotised Ian through a past life regression which he recorded. 

     http://www.express.co.uk/celebrity-news/249772/New-Order-held-Curtis-seance.  https://www.pinterest.com/pin/227431849907245839/ 

    This same article, http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=10729387 was postehttps://www.pinterest.com/pin/227431849907245839/d about the séance in another paper. Anything to get the equipment back ? 

  https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1284019225047167&set=a.1122230071226084.1073741834.100003173056969&type=3&theater
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Two questions:
Are you selling?
Are you Hewitt (or associated? )?

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Two questions: Are you selling? Are you Hewitt (or associated? )? 

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Forgive me my intrusion....we are currently suffering from 'ozitism'
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Hello to d.edward  ( That is what your profile says ). My name is John Spencer and I live in Canada, as my profile states. I have been a Joy Division listener since '79. My friends and I had purchased six tickets for the never-mentioned Toronto show scheduled for May 25 on their "USA" tour which should have been correctly referred to as Joy Division's North American tour. ( here is a link to Rob Gretton's personal notes regarding the tour schedule, just down the page a little... https://disordertc.wordpress.com/tag/rob-gretton/&nbsp[wink]   I also just missed catching Joy Division when I was in London between July 9 to July 29, 1979 on my quest to catch live new musik shows. ( JD performed there on June 17 @ Royalty Theatre, then after I left, Aug 2 @ YMCA, and lots of other London shows soon after, such as Nashville, Youth Center, and Electric Ballroom.)   

   I am a musician, a guitarist primarily, having been in various bands and done a lot of live and studio work through the years. I have been working solo now for quite a while, playing and recording other instruments as needed, and have composed scores of pieces in my own ancient analog studio.

 I have spoken with Peter Hook, who told me it is definitely the original Joy Division road case. 


As far as it being for sale, it depends... but having this piece of Joy Division history come into my life must have a meaning.

This is what I am working out.
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Thanks for the info & as stated, I hope I did not offend you. Your story is 'special' as it ties a suspense story to the existing myth.i would hang onto that case & you are now warned if approached by a certain aforementioned entrepreneur (Hewitt, owner of ozit....bollox, google him......he would even make you an offer & force the case to multiply like 'harmonicas'......that one you have to look up to believe.).
Thanks for contributing to jd history.

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Hi. You do not offend me because we don't even know each other. ( When you say it's a "special story", it definitely is for me - to have had the great fortune after all to receive this case, despite just missing them live, and to do all this investigation. )

 But, anyone who loves Joy Division's  atmosphere-I.C.  music,  Ian's, RIP, timeless, intense, and personal vocals and lyrics, with Hannett's perfect productions... well... they must "get it" too ! Plus you are running a very helpful and interesting site here- an archive of sorts - for everyone who "gets" Joy Division in their own, personal way !
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Kind words....but I'm just a simple jd admirer, avid collector & small time contributor to this site.
Marko, erik & the gang (which you'll get to know by frequent correspondence ) are the 'substance'here.
''Your exquisite music taste has taken you to new grounds''.....as they used to say!

Best wishes. ...........dmxi

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Hi. I just included a lot more info, background and context regarding the road case in posts #1, #2, #3 and #4, including some new discoveries.  "... but it was the necessitated replacement of all their original equipment after it was stolen in 1982 during a tour of America", from https://disordertc.wordpress.com/page/33/  - " Disorder and other Unknown Pleasures " Tonino Cagnucci.
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A photo of Mr. Sumner with the case 20 years later.   Image may contain: 1 person
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A road case is upside down, and sitting on another road case. There is a large pull out handle on the top of the case. Perhaps it was turned upside down to be used as a table of sorts - for who knows what... drinks ? Any one know where this picture was taken ? ... or the date ?  I do not own this picture or have any rights to it. I will remove it if the photographer wishes. JOY DIVISION:
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Again, not sure about the date or location of the show. A case is seen to the left of Peter, sitting apparently on another road case. The case is turned with the clasps facing away from the photographer, with the back of the case, hinged side visible. I do not own this picture or have any rights to it. If the photographer asks to have it removed, I will do so immediately. Image may contain: one or more people and people on stage

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Image may contain: 1 person, on stage, night and indoor  A case can be seen on the right border of the photo. A different concert, again, but same location and placement on the stage. The front of the case is seen here, with the clasps.  Love Will Tear Us Apart, ( ? ) I do not own this picture or have any rights to it. If the photographer wishes it to be removed, I will do so immediately.

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My guess for the backstage picture would be Plan K October 79 judging by the band members' haircuts.

The second picture is Liverpool 2 October 79.

The third is from the Lyceum 29 February 1980 - it's Heart and Soul rather than LWTUA as Hooky's playing the Shergold Marathon bass.
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Great picture. ....never seen that one before.
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Phil C ! Thanks for the info. Seems like you really know your JD ! I likely stand corrected in my LWTUA assumption. Goes to show that I should do more research before speculating like this, and defer to the experts. In the photograph you think is at Plan K, Ian looks healthy, and in a great demeanor. RIP Ian  .
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at 36:00.   Another picture of the road case I just discovered... uncovered ???  I am doing my homework.    PhilC - This would likely be another picture which you identified as being from the Lyceum 29 February 1980 performance. I do not own this photo or video and have no rights to it. If the owner wishes the photo to be taken down, I will do so immediately.

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Yep - that's from the Lyceum too - I'd guess it's from Heart and Soul too unless the 6 string bass was used on The Eternal?

There are quite a few photos from that gig including some of Ian playing the keyboard on SLC.
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With respect Jdispencer, all flight cases look pretty much the same .... so you cant tell from any of those live photos if the flight case shown is actually your flight case
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Hello Pat. I can't tell by your grammar whether you are giving me your opinion or if you are actually asking me a question.   
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Hi Pat. I see you edited out the question mark at the end of your sentence, without leaving any punctuation at all. I would expect, therefore, that you meant your words as a statement. That is fair, and you make a very good point. From the photographs I posted of one particular flight case on stage with Joy Division, and in Joy Division's dressing room, I can not, and do not, claim that they, by themselves, as individual photographs, constitute 100% conclusive evidence that my case is indeed the one in these photographs. However, they may be considered indirect, supportive, and contextual evidence, when taken with all the facts in their entirety. I have been told by Mr. Hook that Joy Division had four flight cases. ( I can not prove he said this to me, and would legally be declared as "here say"  in a court of law as I did not record that telephone call. )  One Joy Division flight case is always pictured under the Arp Omni when Joy Division perform live. The size and shape and placement of the case may lead one to believe that this flight case is in fact the case for their Arp Omni.  Then there is another Joy Division flight case, by Anton Corbijn, which is also pictured on the cover of the "Solitary Demands" four track ep front cover - the famous picture of Ian and Bernard carrying the flight case, one from each end, likely leaving for a concert, heading out from TJD's. ( On page 93 of one of my copies of " Touching from a Distance Ian Curtis & Joy Division ", by Deborah Curtis, the first page of Chapter Nine - " These Days " mentions the band moving equipment and flight cases, and she describes the photograph as " indeed unique " She also describes the context. )  I am not sure about the third Joy Division flight case, but I expect some Joy Division experts to post their knowledge to add to this post for a complete understanding and open discussion. Perhaps someone else can comment on the road case in the pictures I have posted and to help clarify any doubt. They can also help to explain if the flight case, which you are not convinced is mine, could really be another Joy Division road case, and has the same dimensions as mine, and appears where and when they do. The more certainty, the better. The fourth Joy Division flight case, in any case, is the case I have submitted detailed, close up photographs of, here at Joy Division Central. Until someone proves there is another Joy Division case of unquestionable legitimacy, the case Roger Sargent and I photographed appears to be the only Joy Division road case with many detailed, unique and identifiable marking, and with added provenance to prove that it is actually original and authentic.     
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The picture of Ian and Barney carrying the case was taken by Anton Corbijn at the LWTUA video shoot...it also has 'JOY DIVISION' misspelt as 'JOY DIVISON'.
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