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This road case, on the right again, looks familiar. Back of the case.  https://www.pinterest.com/pin/271693790001569442/Preview
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A close up, to compare with Mr. Sargent's photograph - Post # 2.  ( and allowing for 20 years of storage, dust, etc... ) https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1251498764965880&set=a.858492957599798.1073741828.100003173056969&type=3&theater 
  
 
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Bernard and Stephen discuss the two New York city experiences. Firstly, the theft of their equipment, including their road cases, and the road case I have recovered, and then, how they went back to New York city the following year and were surprised and amazed to get everything back again, between 4:01 to 5:11, the longest piece of video regarding the theft and recovery I have found yet, with both being interviewed together. Bernard states " All our equipment was stolen... " then Bernard confirms,  " All Joy Division's equipment... " Later in the interview, when the interviewer asks them if they got any of the equipment back,  Stephen confirms " They had all the stolen gear !... " at the New York police station.     ( New Order BBC Breakfast News... ) 
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Peter Hook comments on the "40,000 ( British pound ) loss ", which wound up not being covered by insurance, in his recent book - "Substance : Inside New Order ".  Mr. Hook notes -  " Sept 21, 1980. New Order's van is stolen from outside the Iroquois Hotel on West 44th Street, New York "  When describing the theft, he goes on to explain  "... we finally faced up to the fact that our van and all our equipment had been stolen. "  Tony Wilson's and Rob Gretton's involvement is also described.  ( I have not received permission to use these quotes. If Mr. Hook wants me to take this post down, I will. )
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Is this a case of obsessive flight case disorder .... involving the fight or flight(case) response ? [wink]
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I am still investigating the date that all the equipment was returned to them. Rock star photographer Richard Bellia just told me about a New Order concert he attended in 1984, at which he met with the band and did some shots,  " (Peter Hook )  
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Below is an email which Philippe Carly from New Wave Photos recently sent me. He is an excellent photographer, as many at Joy Division Central know from his photos of Joy Division, who also has excellent pictures of JD and many other bands to be had, which I myself have originally found on another link here at Joy Division Central. Mr. Carly has given us, the lovers of Joy Division, many excellent images of the band, and he could use some support himself, as he mentions, and has kindly allowed me to post one of his emails -  ( this one ) - on Joy Division Central. Keep taking photos, Philippe !

Hello John,
 
Thank you for your mail and comments !
 
Let me say in return 
WOW WOW WOW !
That is some historical item you own.
I’ve always had a thing for flight cases....
They’re like (one of ) the ultimate embodiments of rock’n’roll.
They immediately make you think of music, tours, performance....
And of course it was used by Joy Division, they probably came with it at the Plan K too !
 
I am sure some people would sell their cats and dogs to own this.
Unfortunately I do not have any other photographs than those on the web site, which I’ve also included in my new “Au Plan K” book (link below).
 
I did not meet with JD then. I have met and keep correspondence with Hooky since, but the other members failed to answer when I was collecting testimonies for my book.
At the time, when bands travelled locally for several shows, I would usually end up driving them around and take some photos. Alas, not for JD, who just came twice and returned immediately to the UK.
 
 
 
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This extract here, written by Peter Hook, is from the forward of the out of print book, titled " From Heaven to Heaven  - New Order Live ( 1981 to 1984 ) at Close Quarters ", by Dec Hickey. It mentions Twinny packing a flight case with the words " Joy Division " on it.  

http://www.fromheaventoheaven.com/Uncategorised/peter-hook
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This post is a bookend to the previous post ( # 34 ) which mentions "Joy Division" written, or stencilled on equipment.  A link to a paragraph from the book titled " New Order + Joy Division Dreams Never End " by Claude Flowers follows here,  https://books.google.ca/books?id=Wj0DAwAAQBAJ&pg=PT85&lpg=PT85&dq=new+order+and+joy+division+claude+flowers+stencilled&source=bl&ots=kEswEBH58B&sig=0kK1wGoGl75OnKKnWP4ROZ5ENoo&hl=en&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwiI9IzekYfTAhUhzoMKHYrPAqYQ6AEIITAB#v=onepage&q=new%20order%20and%20joy%20division%20claude%20flowers%20stencilled&f=false
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Thanks to Kevin Cummins for just granting me permission to post the photo I took which shows a photograph from his book, " Joy Division " with the case, here on Joy Division Central ( post #3 )
 Cheers, Mr. Cummins !
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I have just had the honor of obtaining consent, along with a few words back and forth, from Lindsay Reade and Mick Middles, who have both kindly allowed me to include the following chapter from their in-depth, excellently written and incredibly personal account / book - " Torn Apart - The Life of Ian Curtis ".   A definitive work on Mr. Curtis's, RIP, life.  Thank you Lindsay and Mick for the book, the history, and consent. An amusing anecdote to contrast with the usual associations of Joy Division's serious side.


    "After this accident the band decided to purchase flight cases for their equipment. Terry Mason recalls this being another excuse for them to exercise their endearing sense of fun, specifically on the slight incline of Little Peter street, outside TJ Davidson's rehearsal rooms. " Once you've got flight cases the first thing you realise is how much fun they actually are " says Terry. " They're made to be safe and built to protect the things inside so they made good toboggans on the street. Ian hated foam rubber so it was weird that he got in one. There were these little kids who used to hand around TJ's and we'd put them in, close the lid and roll them down the road that TJ's was on. There mustn't have been many cars about then. "
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The above post ( #37 ) was related to the accident of August 13, 1979, - the van that Peter was driving was crashed into by a truck, and causing equipment to fly out of the van and smash into pieces on the highway. Fortunately, no one was hurt. This occurred returning home after a gig at the Nashville Rooms in London. More details of the crash can be read in  " Torn Apart ", pages 158 to 159. Peter also discusses the incident in his excellent book, " Unknown Pleasures ", on pages 171 to 172. A photo of Peter with the opened up view of the wrecked van with equipment still inside can also be found in his book in the photo section between pages 190 and 191. Here is another link to see the same photograph, which is very near the top of the web page.
 https://disordertc.wordpress.com/category/articoli/page/6/  ( from Tonino Cagnucci`s " Disorder and other Unknown Pleasures " article - site )
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Lindsay Reade just allowed me to share a simple recollection of hers regarding the road cases.   Lindsay Reade, who also authored
Mr Manchester and the Factory Girl: The Story of Tony and Lindsay Wilson. A great book, by the way.

Mr. Tony Wilson, RIP, has not been mentioned in my posts yet, but fittingly, he is now, as he was also a key to discovering Joy Division, keeping them going, managing them, and getting them recorded very properly. ( beyond everything else in his huge scope of influence in the Manchester music scene )

Lindsay recalls -  " I remember Tony getting those cases stencilled! ".  
 
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   The other obvious person involved in Joy Division, whom I have not yet mentioned in my posts, would be Deborah Curtis. In her must-read book, " Touching From a Distance - Ian Curtis and Joy Division ", isbn:0571322417, she does mention the road cases, and a personal story near the end of chapter seven, " Walking on Air ". ( pp 77 -78 in one of my copies ) Ian and the band are mentioned, and recalled, in quite memorably, a revelation, which includes Ian's character, in both in a selfishly receiving way, and an unselfishly giving way.

    (I would have considered including the paragraph here, or even a link to an online result, but it would be more meaningful for every person to take the time, to respect Ian and Deborah to look it up for one's self in their own copy of the book, which almost everyone reading this post must have. If not, they better buy the book and support her. I would definitely have wanted personal permission from Deborah to include the paragraph also. )

    By the way, I hope Mr. Hook, Mr. Morris and Mr. Sumner see to it that Deborah and Natalie are looked after. Maybe this flight case situation could get them speaking to each other for some good, even to somehow help them, if they do, in fact, need more help. It is right to care. It seems to be so much about what Ian was really singing about - people caring, or not caring, and what happens when they don't.
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Sunday morning. 9 a.m.... the foam inner lining of the case, which has been mentioned in two later postings here.

 Post #37 mentions the foam - in the book " Torn Apart - The Life of Ian Curtis ", by Mick Middles and Lindsay Reade .

 Post #41 mentions the foam - in Deborah Curtis's book " Touching from a Distance - Ian Curtis and Joy Division ".



The sun was shining today for a change, as it has been quite grey here lately, so when I went upstairs to take a photo for Joy Division Central, I was also struck by the pattern on the case from the sunlight  ! 

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I would like to get a consensus from Mr. Hook, Mr. Morris and Mr. Sumner as to where the case should wind up.

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I have currently in the process of wishing to obtain the rights to reprint a very small one paragraph text from Deborah Curtis's book, and here is my response.     

Many thanks for your email which we have received today.

 

All requests to reprint extracts must go through our Online Permissions and Licensing system as outlined here: http://licensing.faber.co.uk/. In all instances, please register the details of your request and we’ll be in touch with more information in due course. I’m afraid we no longer accept requests by email, fax or post and this inbox is checked once a week.


Should you have any queries, please do check the Frequently Asked Questions for more information: https://www.faberpermissions.com/Home/FAQ.


For more details about Rights at Faber, please refer to our information pages here: http://www.faber.co.uk/permissions/ and more details about our Fair Dealing guidelines can be seen here: https://www.faber.co.uk/fair-use  [71fdc336a2f0ab6e8a286a6bd4f15a23]


Currently we have an 8 week turnaround time on permissions requests, which means that we would be grateful if you could please wait until this time has elapsed before following up on your request.  So for now I will post the paragraph, and if there is any wish for me to remove it, I will, happily, and with all due respect. I honestly believe Deborah would not mind history ( hisstory ) being told...

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     I hope all of this works out for the best.

     People have to talk with each other, and care. 

     I am working on my end, here.

     I have now reached out to everyone.   [image]

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I'm all for doing things right John, but I think you're taking it a bit far to contact Faber for permission to quote a small paragraph from a published work. It's not necessary, as long as you attribute the quote correctly (which you have). That's fine and qualifies as 'fair use' - go ahead, post and be merry.
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Agreed. Its a chuffin flight case
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This makes me miss the kitchen table debacle. 
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Hello Pat. I have never heard the word "chuffin" before. ( I live in Canada, and see it is a slang word. )  I also do not understand what exactly you are agreeing with.
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Hi dmxi. What is it about the kitchen table debacle you miss ?  ( I missed it also, but in a different sense, as I was never a part of it.  I actually, and simply, did, " miss" it ! )          
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