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Thanks SwiftNick.  I appreciate your post. I was just trying to show that firstly I have no intention of going against copyright laws. I understand they are now a little flexible on Joy Division Central. Also, secondly, and more important, practically, as a musician myself, I don't appreciate my material digitally " borrowed " ( a nice way of saying " stolen " )  So I can empathise and also understand photographers rights to their work and getting recognition and hopefully money or future work through their works being used, whose work I have used, such as Philippe Carly, Roger Sargent and Kevin Cummins, which is why I sought and obtained all their permissions to use their photographs here. They have to make a living from their art, their profession, their trade, as do authors. Besides, I imagine Deborah Curtis could use all the royalties she can get, to look after herself, and maybe help Natalie. I am just trying to be positive, so fault me for that.
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Why do you think Debbie or Natalie need all the royalties they can get?  Debbie remarried and had another child, Natalie will be 37.  I doubt either of them wanted to make a living out of Ian's legacy.

Now if you were talking about Peter Hook, that would be a fair point.
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     james x2. You show your level of compassion you have for Ian's wife and daughter ! Should I apologise to you for caring, or trying to be fair, or even the dirty word... generous ? Better to be a cheap and selfish person ?

     I do not claim to have full knowledge of anyone's financial position, but if I was to err, I would hope to do it on the compassionate side, let alone when considering Ian's own flesh and blood. If she is rich and doesn't want any royalties, great. As far as what their intentions and personal mindsets are, maybe you know more than I do.

     jamesx2 - Forgive me that I actually care.

      By the way,  Deborah Curtis' facebook page has two photos. One with her and Ian on their wedding day. The other is Ian holding Natalie. Discount that as you will. 

     I hope Peter continues to get his fair share from all his musical contributions as well, even with his financial situation ( But now that you made a point, allow me to also to get further off topic, and forgive me if I say I actually hope the three gentleman can just get on with it and make up. Do it for yourselves, do it for each other, do it for the music, and be happy again ! )

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Agreed. Its a chuffin flight case


I think that sums it up nicely. 

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Steve303.

This comment comes out of the blue.
  

 Forgive me, because I am Canadian, but when you say, " I think that sums it up nicely " regarding the phrase " Agreed it's a chuffin flight case ", what exactly are you saying ? I do not understand the word, " chuffin ", nor do I understand the context, or saying. Alas, my vocabulary doth not comprehendeth ! Obviously I am missing something. The other gentleman, Pat Teasdale, who posted the original comment has not expounded either, even after I asked him to please explain his comment as well.  Queen's English, anyone ?

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Simply translated - It is just a flight case. Get over it.


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Steve303, I am responding to post 56 , your comment... "Simply translated - It is just a flight case. Get over it." 

It is NOT just a flight case. It is only a CHUFFIN flight case !!! Right ??? Well, some guitar player from a band which is mentioned in the site we are on, decided to get a photo shoot done with this case. So you must think Bernard is a fool, because he seems quite proud in that photo session. Take up your hatred with him.

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Steve303...and Pat Teasdale...  please redirect your comment to 

 ...  Mr. Philippe Carly, who said...and I repost this excerpt again from post #33,


WOW WOW WOW !
That is some historical item you own.
I’ve always had a thing for flight cases....
They’re like (one of ) the ultimate embodiments of rock’n’roll.
They immediately make you think of music, tours, performance....
And of course it was used by Joy Division, they probably came with it at the Plan K too !
 
I am sure some people would sell their cats and dogs to own this.
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Steve 303 and Pat Teasdale... please take your negative energy out on Mr. Roger Sargent, professional photographer, who set up a photo shoot around the case you despise so much.
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Steve303 and Pat Teasdale.  Please contact Mr. Bernard Sumner and tell him he is a materialistic *^%@%#, and a shallow %&*$@# for deciding to pose with this particular road case, in Roger Sargent's photo shoot, in the basement of the Hacienda, ( please see again post #2 in this discussion ). Or simply tell the silly bugger to " get over it " ! because " it's not merely an unimportant case by some unimportant band named JOY DIVISION, it's " only a chuffin case " !!! It's only Joy Division history !


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It's not them who keep banging on about it is it? 
If you are determined to make it part of JD history - offer it to a Museum? [smile]

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Steve303.

Still complaining.

Complaining on a post you don't care about.

 Trivializing a Joy Division road case !!! Joy Division is supposed to be our reason for being here !

 Your comments reflect your attitude. Negative and dull. Please contact Bernard, as I advised. Put your boring ego down for a minute, instead of putting me down, the road case down, Philippe Carly, Roger Sargent and putting Bernard Sumner and his proudness down.

      Imagine what the photo shoot was all about - the deliberateness, the discussions between Bernard and Roger about the significance of the choice of the photo, and the statement they were trying to make. 

     Then setting up the professional lighting. The thoughts, the memories Bernard must have had. Then the feelings, of Joy Division the band, their history, their shows in all the cities they played, and each person in the band. 

    Everything, the entirety all summed up - what Mr. Sumner must have been considering before, during and after that brief flash of the lens !
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Steve303 and Pat Teasdale... " only a chuffin case ? Get over it ! " Doesn't that sound like someone who is indifferent, apathetic, or just doesn't care, or give a damn - full of hatred, dark energy, judgement and condemnation !!! ? Someone who takes their music, consumes it, yet it does not feed them, as it is not their main course, but rather an occasional fanciful snack, because it is games that are being played, and Ian did not play games.   I pose this only as a question, as I am not accusing anybody of anything and don't know anyone personally in this group, that I am aware of...  Or merely having fun playing a game together at a stranger's expense ? If this is a game, if that is the case, I have been bewildered, and definitely not amused.  I am just the outsider. And I am being persecuted, for some reason, by everyone on this site ! Oh well, I have good company - I'm not the first...


      Do the words... " Feeling, feeling, feeling, feeling, feeling, feeling, feeling ! " not wake them up out of complacency, or touch their soul ?  

     As a Joy Division lover / fan, like all real Joy Division lovers / fans, I am not lukewarm about anything Joy Division, but rather just the opposite ! 

     I've got the spirit !

     Pay tribute to all the musicians, their music, and their legacy, being so very worthy of tribute, honor and respect.

     And remember...

     Especially These Days.
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Look ...  its a "nice" item, looks to be original, and its nice to see a pic of it etc ... but at the end of the day, its a flight case.

Personally, I could probably better understand your passion for it - not to mention reaching out to the multiple parties that you have - if it was an unreleased live recording or an unheard studio acetate with a different mix that you had uncovered, or perhaps an unseen photo or concert poster, etc ...  but ... its a flight case. 

No need to question whether i give a damn ... my 836 posts over the past 13 years answer that.





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Pat Teasdale. Thanks for using your superiority and authority over me by warning me to ... " Look " ! , as if you are in charge, like a school master scolding a child.

      If you are trying to impress me, or anybody else, you have failed quite miserably. Speaking of " miserably "... why are you so miserable and negative, and only have negative things to say instead of positive things ? If you feel the need to become part of a post you have nothing to do with, why do you feel the need to trivialize something a member of Joy Division considered special enough to have their picture taken with it ?

     Besides, your problem isn't even with me. It is with Mr. Sumner. Please tell Bernard that it is only a flight case, and that he was stupid, and quite foolish, to get a photographer, ( no, not Philippe Carly, the photographer who said people would sell their pets for the case... )  a professional music photographer like Roger Sargent, to arrange a photo shoot featuring himself hovering intently over the road case, just because he was bored and miserable and belittling like you !

      Or, more likely, Mr. Sumner wished to create and leave a photograph that he would want the public to see, to share something so personal and meaningful, to be justifiably proud to be a part of, and to serve as a tribute, a time capsule, a symbol of the energies of Joy Division, the whole special band, of their touring, and live shows.

       If the case doesn't mean much to you, just live and let live, and wish people the best.

      I do not admire destructive energy, so if you wish to keep trolling my posts and keep adding negative comments, with your wonderful sense of self esteem, go bother Bernard instead, and impress him with your condemnations. He thought the case was important enough, but you make it sound like you are the ultimate judge of what things are worth to other persons.

      So you have little respect for Mr. Sumner, who wanted to be personally photographed with something that he chose to represent Joy Division.

      You belittle Mr. Sumner, and what Joy Division means.

      With that you also belittle Mr. Morris.

      With that you also belittle Mr. Hook. 

      With that you belittle Ian Curtis, rest in peace !
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Now you're getting annoying & disrespectful.i hope to see this subject locked as has happened in the past for similar lips in need of buttoning.
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dmxi. You just posted...

          
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 dmxi,

Why is there need for your very personal hostility ?

I have been energetic, positive and upbeat in my postings here.

I talk about honour and respect.

I did not ask to be attacked and bullied.

People actively reaching out to me - Pat Teasdale, Steve303, and now yourself - on a post that none of you three have any interest in!

Why ?

If you don't like my posts, why keep following it, and try to drag things down ? To belittle me, and Mr. Sumner, and anything that was a part of Joy Division's history ? 

And are you attempting to threaten me, dmxi, or do you want to personally button my lip, as this all seems so personal for you, for some foreign reason.

Speaking of disrespect, is there not enough rain on May 18 ?

Why make a crappy day for all of us who cared even worse ?
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Ian Curtis. Rest in peace.
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You're a troll. Little more. 
It's a fly case you've sprayed with the words JOY DIVISION and told the world about your discovery.
Go crawl back under your rock.

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Marco.

Eric.


Terry Lee, Gary Tibbs and yours truly!


There is no logic in your posts apart from criticizing anyone who disagrees with you. Considering your appeal for a compassionate approach, perhaps the best course of action would be:

a) Sell the case and donate the money to Debbie & Natalie.  (or)

b) Send the case to Mr Sumner - they are destined to be together, abandoned too soon.
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I was praying I would wake up this morning, May 18, and not see comments meant to hurt someone you don't know and have never met.

Why james x2 do you insist on such destructive energy on the day Ian couldn't take the pain anymore ?  You show no respect.

james x2 - you are so disrespectful to Ian ! Why are you on Joy Division Central ?

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steve303

You are suffering.

You suffer from envy.

 That is one of the seven deadly sins.

Envy (Latin, invidia), like greed and lust, is characterized by an insatiable desire. It can be described as a sad or resentful covetousness towards the traits or possessions of someone else. It arises from vainglory,[41] and severs a man from his neighbor.[5]

Malicious envy is similar to jealousy in that they both feel discontent towards someone's traits, status, abilities, or rewards. A difference is that the envious also desire the entity and covet it. Envy can be directly related to the Ten Commandments, specifically, "Neither shall you covet... anything that belongs to your neighbour." (a statement that may also be related to greed). Dante defined envy as "a desire to deprive other men of theirs". In Dante's Purgatory, the punishment for the envious is to have their eyes sewn shut with wire because they gained sinful pleasure from seeing others brought low. According to St. Thomas Aquinas, the struggle aroused by envy has three stages: during the first stage, the envious person attempts to lower another's reputation; in the middle stage, the envious person receives either "joy at another's misfortune" (if he succeeds in defaming the other person) or "grief at another's prosperity" (if he fails); the third stage is hatred because "sorrow causes hatred" .[42]

Envy is said to be the motivation behind Cain murdering his brother, Abel, as Cain envied Abel because God favored Abel's sacrifice over Cain's.

Bertrand Russell said that envy was one of the most potent causes of unhappiness,[43][page needed] bringing sorrow to committers of envy whilst giving them the urge to inflict pain upon others.

In accordance with the most widely accepted views, only pride weighs down the soul more than envy among the capital sins. Just like pride, envy has been associated directly with the devil, for Wisdom 2:24 states:" the envy of the devil brought death to the world,".[41]

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Ian Curtis . Rest in peace.
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Terry Lee, Gary Tibbs and yours truly!



Thanks James - I've just spat a mouthful of beer over my computer screen!!!!

Strangely enough, I saw Adam on his 'Anthems' Tour last night and I'm so glad he didn't play that song!
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Pat Teasdale. Thanks for using your superiority and authority over me by warning me to ... " Look " ! , as if you are in charge, like a school master scolding a child.

      If you are trying to impress me, or anybody else, you have failed quite miserably. Speaking of " miserably "... why are you so miserable and negative, and only have negative things to say instead of positive things ? If you feel the need to become part of a post you have nothing to do with, why do you feel the need to trivialize something a member of Joy Division considered special ?

     Besides, your problem isn't even with me. It is with Mr. Sumner. Please tell Bernard that it is only a flight case, and that he was stupid, and quite foolish, to get a photographer, ( no, not Philippe Carly, the photographer who said people would sell their pets for the case... )  a professional music photographer like Roger Sargent, to arrange a photo shoot featuring himself hovering intently over the road case, just because he was bored and miserable and belittling like you !

      Or, more likely, Mr. Sumner wished to create and leave a photograph that he would want the public to see, to share something so personal and meaningful, to be justifiably proud to be a part of, and to serve as a tribute, a time capsule, a symbol of the energies of Joy Division, the whole special band, of their touring, and live shows.

       If the case doesn't mean much to you, just live and let live, and wish people the best.

      I do not admire destructive energy, so if you wish to keep trolling my posts and keep adding negative comments, with your wonderful sense of self esteem, go bother Bernard instead, and impress him with your condemnations. He thought the case was important enough, but you make it sound like you are the ultimate judge of what things are worth to other persons.

      So you have little respect for Mr. Sumner, who wanted to be personally photographed with something that he chose to represent Joy Division.

      You belittle Mr. Sumner, and what Joy Division means.

      With that you also belittle Mr. Morris.

      With that you also belittle Mr. Hook. 

      With that you belittle Ian Curtis, rest in peace !



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