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New Dawn Fades. Specifically...

I don't have the proper bootlegs, only the ones on youtube but I seek the best live version of NDF, 'tis my quest, saw JD at Bolton BIT in 78/79 ish and always preferred live over album though the albums are good in a different way...

Anyway, on the youtube versions, the Paris one is great, clear sound, driving Hooky bass totally ace, and the Amsterdam one is a bit muddier, but; I think they are the same recording or different recordings at the same gig so I'd like to ask here if anyone knows...

On both at the beginning Ian says "Set the foldback up please", surely not coincidence?

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Anyone any input and more importantly for me, a pointer to the definitive version of New Dawn Fades live!



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Those versions are the same and both from the Paradiso gig, New Dawn Fades wasn't played at Les Bains Douches. The Amsterdam gig is a bit hit and miss in terms of performance, but NDF is absolutely brilliant as far as I'm concerned.


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The Effenaar version of NDF is far better than the Paradiso one, IMHO. I hate the tameness of the Paradiso recording.
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The Paradiso gig is much better than what some people give it credit for, but I agree that Effenaar was a superior performance overall and that version of NDF is brilliant as well, obviously.


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Personally, I think the best version of NDF is from the Pavilion in Hemel Hempstead (1979-11-05).
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Double that, Wallflower
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Track listing

All tracks written by Joy Division (Ian Curtis, Peter Hook, Stephen Morris and Bernard Sumner).

  1. "Disorder" – 3:21
  2. "Love Will Tear Us Apart" – 3:17
  3. "Insight" – 3:25
  4. "Shadowplay" – 3:46
  5. "Transmission" – 3:19
  6. "Day of the Lords" – 4:39
  7. "Twenty Four Hours" – 4:12
  8. "These Days" – 3:42
  9. "A Means to an End" – 4:17
  10. "Passover" – 2:18
  11. "New Dawn Fades" – 4:40
  12. "Atrocity Exhibition" – 6:56
  13. "Digital" – 3:39
  14. "Dead Souls" – 4:46
  15. "Autosuggestion" – 4:13
  16. "Atmosphere" – 4:47
Note: Tracks 1–9 recorded at Les Bains Douches, Paris, 18 December 1979; tracks 10–12 recorded at Paradiso, Amsterdam, The Netherlands, 11 January 1980; and tracks 13–16 recorded at Effenaar, Eindhoven, The Netherlands, 18 January 1980.

 Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_Bains_Douches_18_December_1979


One of their best songs and one of the few, where there is only one studio version. I still prefer the studio-version 'cause the mix and esp. the guitar is just so brilliant. One of Martin Hannett's finest works. Even listening to the live versions there isn't much of a change in the lyrics compared to tracks like Colony etc.
New Dawn Fades not just turned me into a livelong Joy Division addict, I think it is the one song that started me making music at a very old age (17). The first thing I did with my 86,- casio synth and a cassette recorder back in 1981 was a cover version of New Dawn Fades.


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The Paradiso gig is much better than what some people give it credit for, but I agree that Effenaar was a superior performance overall and that version of NDF is brilliant as well, obviously.



Is the Effenaar the videod one on the Here Are The Young Men VHS that I still actually have?

It's more cohesive, Curtis sings better but there's no 'swagger' as Hooky likes to say, the Paradiso one has more mistakes, but tons of swagger, Hooky's bass is simple, four notes basically but has this sound which gives me an adrenalin rush just listening. TBF when I get people to listen they just hear the mistakes, I hear the driving bass......

Unless there's an Effenaar bootleg with proper audio?

 
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The version of NDF on the HATYM video is from the Effenar gig, that's correct. As someone posted above four other songs from this gig were released as bonus tracks on the Les Bains Douches official release.


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The Paradiso gig is much better than what some people give it credit for, but I agree that Effenaar was a superior performance overall and that version of NDF is brilliant as well, obviously.



Nice way Ian used to impress Annik. RIP both.

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Hi,

Paris : excellent performance, excellent setlist, now almost 90% excellent sound quality.

Amsterdam : very average performance, excellent setlist, excellent sound quality (but incomplete).

The Effenaar gig is a better performance, an excellent setlist, and a very good sound quality recording.

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