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imkc1

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Now see, if JD had been Led Zeppelin, we wouldn't be having this discussion...
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It'd be really nice if Julia's copy of the master would be released. I hope they get that worked out, soon, 'cuz I'm still waiting.

The real master tapes are lost, because why else would the latest remasters have to rely on pre-existing mixes? I thought that's what the 2007 remasters were based off of - I think they even had stickers that said the master tapes weren't available and so they relied on other sources. Stephen, when he remastered the tracks for some other release, was forced to EQ the old mixes. If we had the master tapes, he could've genuinely remixed them.


Where were these stickers exactly?

By remixed you mean the multitrack? No one is going to go back to the multitracks whether they can or not. You'd have to recreate Martin Hannett's production, which would not be easy or particularly appreciated by many.
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@truth On the face of the CD box, I think.

I love Hannett's production, but I think it's time we saw a new, fully remixed version of the album. Joy Division sound amazing with or without his production. Remixing breathed new life into Nirvana's "In Utero"; I think JD should get the same treatment. Unfortunately, I don't think they have the tapes.

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I know I'm going to be killed for this [tongue] but I always thought the UP mix is a turd. at least, it's known that members of JD also thought the same after listening to it! anyway, i'd leave it as it is, UP is like it is and always was.
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Lol, Bernard and Peter agree with you wholeheartedly! I still find it funny that no producer would mix them to sound fast and punky. They had the same complaint with RCA's post-production in 1978.

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yeah it sounds terribly hollow and plain. I think Hannett tried a lot of things on that album, and it's interesting to listen, but it may be quite different from what the band were expecting. another mix would have been great at the time, but it's now such a classic that it wouldn't make much sense, in my opinion.
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I love the original UP mix. Most of the CD releases are not true to the original mix, even worse the "Heart And Soul" Box-Set with the artificial bass and the Exciters used to pronounce the high-end.

I just read Bernard Sumners book and he uses as an example for the way he thought Joy Division was supposed to sound the Paris gig.

I love what we have. We can listen to both. What's the problem?

And Bernard Sumner as well as Peter Hook sound much more laid back today - compared to what they said in the past about Hannett's UP-mix.

And don't forget - Sumner and Hook don't - that Ian Curtis loved Hannett's work.

I always loved the Bain Douche gig. And I always loved Hannett.
Why not having good live gigs of a band  - and we have many of Joy Division - on the one hand. And on the other hand studio albums that not just try to artificially duplicate a concert, but that use the studio as an instrument the way Hannett did it.
I love it both ways!

I only wish there would be digital versions of UP and Closer that sound exactly like the first vinyl versions. No overcompressed loudness war bullsh*t, no exciters, no artificial low end boost. No terrible distortion as on the earlier CD releases. That is all I want.
I don't want a remix and I couldn't think of anyone doing this remix.

AFAIK these findings aren't master-tapes, these are mulitrack versions and some of them are alternate versions of many tracks. I really really would love to listen to these.

It makes me sick that there might be an alternate take or mix of New Dawn Fades (studio version) and I can't listen to it!!! I remember how impressed I was, when I first heard the Peel-Versions of 24 Hours and Colony and Sound of Music, which I bought as bootlegs in 1982 or 3 after listening so many times to the versions on Closer and Still.

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to be honest, I've got an early vinyl pressing of UP and it is the same. different things of course, but the mix is the mix. not saying that I don't agree with your post, ravachol, what you say is true, I prefer the releases without all the effects, but the original mix, as I say, is the same in every version. 
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After so many of the same releases of the same material that get worse and worse with every iteration, what would be the harm in a new interpretation? I'd love to hear Bernard or Peter mix their version of UP - wouldn't THAT be something?
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Uh oh ... this scenario is beginning to sound eerily familiar ... [tounge2]

[18:45] nightowl:~/<2>iTunes Media/The Stooges % ls -ldF *Power*
drwxr-xr-x  25 riot  riot  850 May  8  2010 Raw Power (Legacy Edition) (2CD) (2010)/
drwxr-xr-x  13 riot  riot  442 May  8  2010 Raw Power (Remixed by Iggy Pop, Remastered) (1997)/
drwxr-xr-x  10 riot  riot  340 Apr 19  2010 Raw Power UK Cassette/
drwxr-xr-x  19 riot  riot  646 Sep 18  2005 Rough Power [The un-Bowie'd, un-Iggy'd raw mixes]/
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Another proof that the master tapes is not lost:

1st 'Insight' from 'Unknown Pleasures' without Steve's digital snare drum:

2nd Multitrack cuttings of 'Komakino' from 'Closer':


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Another proof that the master tapes is not lost:

1st 'Insight' from 'Unknown Pleasures' without Steve's digital snare drum:

2nd Multitrack cuttings of 'Komakino' from 'Closer':



amazing! where did you find those? 
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