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This is the wrong thread. I suggest you check this thread instead 


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My apologies. My haste got the best of me. I just really want to hear these songs. I don't live in the U.K. (unfortunately for this circumstance), and I won't be able to purchase the vinyl off of eBay for quite some time, if it's even available then. Once again, sorry.

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Can we assume then that the Ceremony rehearsal is the only take that still exists or ever existed
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It's the only one that's known about currently, though you never can tell what might turn up on a stray reel someday.
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At last the waiting is over... it look's like there's an official video to In a Lonely place after all.



Seriously though what on earth is this version that keeps poping up on youtube?

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What did Ian say at the end of the song on that IALP video? "what a big loss!"

Did you also see this?


It seems that IALP/Little Boy (whatever, cause it was both named by New Order) was ready for a release while Ceremony was very raw at those days. The interesting point is that they played this song in Birmingham.


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An opportunist mixer! At least he's honest about saying that he's restoring the versions himself, but probably best we leave him to his little hobby.

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Re the Ian quote - sounds like "Thank you Goodnight" and it's slowed down

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This version sounds very similar to the one New Order played in Apollo in 98. Classic!


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I don't want to derail the thread but out of curiosity does anybody know what the date was for the Ceremony rehearsal?I'm guessing either Sunday April 20 or maybe April 27?Also,does anybody know what else was rehearsed on that tape/day?
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It seems that IALP/Little Boy (whatever, cause it was both named by New Order) was ready for a release while Ceremony was very raw at those days. The interesting point is that they played this song in Birmingham.

But weren't JD meant to play Ceremony on Celebration on May 8th, hardly seems like something that would be done for a raw song... I agree that IALP sounds more polished than the Ceremony on the tapes, but isn't the general concensus that Ceremony was taped in April, whereas IALP is from one of the last rehearsal sessions they did?

It also seems surprising to me that they'd have recordings of IALP rehearsals without having at least a couple of Ceremony takes floating around somewhere. Fingers crossed that something turns up someday!

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Re the Ian quote - sounds like "Thank you Goodnight" and it's slowed down
 


It's a bit tricky to decipher but I think it's something like ''This is fucking awful, can you stop posting your shit mixes on the internet''.....but I could be wrong.
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At last the waiting is over... it look's like there's an official video to In a Lonely place after all.



Seriously though what on earth is this version that keeps poping up on youtube?

 

 
This guy has serious OCD problems when it comes to IALP. I had run-ins with him in the past. He got the 30 sample of unreleased material years ago and has been making his own bootlegs( trying to create the complete song, using partial H&S take)....of course they are beyond dreadful.

Now he has the complete take and still thinks he can improve upon the product that JD created; like our fearless leader "thebirdandthe" AKA "Geffrey Smith" AKA "Casio Smith" is such a musically genius that he can improve the song. There is dangerous crazy and their is harmless crazy. My run-ins with him has left me with some pretty interesting stories; namely that he stalked me on facebook at one point. Even better, his lies become the truth it he repeats them enough.

And he is apparently a fine musician; ask him yourself. Here is a link to his music page (me and my friends had a lot of fun with this one day)

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=769652

I would recommend such classics as “Chips and Beer” or better yet “Serenade my Underpants”.


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So, do this make it more or less likely that those other versions of IALP might be released, hopefully not too far away in time? Those different versions - obviously telling the evolution of the song - seems to easily qualify for an official release. Or will this be considered as enough, case closed?

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Their chemistry was really awesome though Ian's illness. After recording one album (Closer), one flexi-disc (Komakino) and one single (LWTUA), they were still writing new stuff as Ceremony and IALP in April. Joy Division would be greatest UK band in 1981 certainly.

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But weren't JD meant to play Ceremony on Celebration on May 8th, hardly seems like something that would be done for a raw song... I agree that IALP sounds more polished than the Ceremony on the tapes, but isn't the general concensus that Ceremony was taped in April, whereas IALP is from one of the last rehearsal sessions they did?

It also seems surprising to me that they'd have recordings of IALP rehearsals without having at least a couple of Ceremony takes floating around somewhere. Fingers crossed that something turns up someday!


I firmly believe more then one rehearsal take of "Ceremony" exist or existed; we might never know what else was on the tape used to source "Ceremony". Considering how IALP documented, it would be within the realms of reason that more then one take was recorded.

They had Ceremony finished before IALP..........that much is for sure! If history would of been different, and JD would of played in America, we would of had live versions of IALP and better live versions of Ceremony. They had IALP finished before they were set to depart from America.

 Of course if "Celebration" happened; it would of been amazing to have a TV performance of Ceremony; but Live versions of both songs would of been pure magic; can you imagine the set lists that would of been used in America; Closer tracks combined with Ceremony and IALP! Atrocity Exhibition followed by IALP!  


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It's almost 2 weeks after the release of Ceremony and In a Lonely Place and amazingly nobody has put this online  

Re the 12" I understand the need to get people to physically buy music and help promote indie record shops etc (by the way I still purchase CD's as well as buying music online, so I do my bit), but for Christ sake why no alternative option to purchase online AS WELL or put it out on f***ing CD.  I remember when Blur released their last single exclusively on vinyl the other year - also as part of Record Store Day - a couple of days later fans without vinyl players could choose to download it as an alternative.  I know there's loads of vinyl junkies out there and that's fine, but to me it's pathetic to limit the access to music, which just reeks of snobery.

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Buying music now and again is not a charitable act you know, the vastly lowered spending on music these days will kill all record shops in the near future.

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It gives me no joy to admit it but Record Store Day is now a waste of time and they should just give it up

 

People lucky enough to live near one of the few remaining record shops queue to buy the stuff and then immediately sell it online for 3 or 4 times the price.

 

How does this help the shops, bands or labels? Quite simple. It doesn’t.

 

Whilst it was a good idea for a few years to help try and sustain the shop network, it’s now become yet another free market opportunity.

 

This is one of the few occasions where I actually think that “illegally” sharing the RSD product digitally online is not a bad thing, as it reduces the demand for high value resale on ebay.

 

And I say illegally in inverted commas because if you can’t BUY it then I can’t see how the record companies can claim it is a lost sale. They’ve deliberately pressed a limited number and they’ve sold them all via shops. There is no more income to be had from it – unless of course they do put it online for legal download (which they haven’t – yet).

 

In the circumstances I would say that profiteering on ebay is  by far the worse of the two crimes

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RSD is definitely flawed, it only helps on the one day of the year and is greatly abused by resellers. They do need to rethink it a little so it encourages buying throughout the year, and not just by profiteers.

Unfortunately due to the very low runs of vinyl needed these days, thanks to the lack of people now willing to spend money on music, the RSD releases are not the only area where you wonder if all your sales are to Discogs resellers rather than to genuine fans. A recent example is the Burial/Four Tet/Thom Yorke 12" which was hammered by resellers after a quick turnaround. It's now absolutely swamped with copies for sale on Discogs.
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I don't think it's a waste of time at all, because it promotes and supports record stores around the World on record store day. Remember records anyone, that's how it all began? I know a lot of people who own record stores, and they are struggling to survive. This day emphasises the importance of record stores and fuck this downloading shit..............

I don't have the record, everyone needs to stop whinging that they don't have it, and if it wasn't for downloading, labels and artists may have been more inclined to release more material, that could be sold in larger quantities at a cheaper price.
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It's almost 2 weeks after the release of Ceremony and In a Lonely Place and amazingly nobody has put this online


Looks like it's now appeared on YouTube...



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It's still the guy's own remixes of it. The final verse on his youtube Take 7 is from the extract that appeared briefly online from the H & S version - the bit that this mixer is milking quite sufficiently. A noticeable difference between the final verse on his latest youtube and the final verse on the 12" is that on the 12" Ian's vocal falters on the word "waits". No faltering on the youtube version.

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The latest one he's put up seems like a different complete take compared to the 12" and the H&S version... Whatever it is, perhaps his worrying obsession with the song, and the final verse in particular, can finally end now the whole thing is out.

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The latest one he's put up seems like a different complete take compared to the 12" and the H&S version... Whatever it is, perhaps his worrying obsession with the song, and the final verse in particular, can finally end now the whole thing is out.
 


His mark 7 post is the 5th take; not the 4th one used on the single.

Lmfao, this guys OCD is legendary; he even mentioned me in his write up; and I stopped f**king with him over a year ago. Oh, that made my day, brillaint!  

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