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"Out of curiosity what album was that? I was under the impression that the RSD websites (.com / .co.uk) only list the quantities available in that country. So for example I could see the UK website only saying 500 if the other 1500 were going to be sold in the US/Japan etc. Otherwise that is super sketchy and only helping the people trying to flip them."



David's Town compilation LP. 

RSD.com lists 800. 
RSD.co.uk has no figure attached but the item was available in the UK.


So yeah, I dunno if that means we can assume there are more than 800 copies of the JD release. I would put all my money on yes but I dont collect anymore so it's not my $ at stake!






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I remember a guy told me they used to give away free demos of komakino in Manchester and probably Birmingham. What jizz-tastic music!
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Apparently it's 800 and they were for UK distribution only.

As for whether it's the same take as H & S - you could try playing them back to back.....


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Very interesting that nobody is even talking about the most important aspect of this release; the music! 


Well, speaking for myself, I don't live in the UK nor am I on ass-kissing terms with any of the band's members. As a result I haven't gotten hold of a copy yet, let alone heard the bleeding record (which, if I'm allowed to digress, would have made a much worthier addition to the +- set than the Isolation/Heart And Soul bonus disc).
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David's Town was limited to 500 in the UK from what I saw on a couple UK record store websites. I don't think Matador officially posted the pressing info anywhere unlike Rhino who made it a point to say the JD record is limited to 1000.

I'm still holding out for a repress down the line unless i can find one for regular price somewhere. Still hoping it hits to web soon.

Whoever runs Joy Division's facebook page posted that the 2 JD songs were new previously unreleased versions.
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IALP is a previously unreleased version
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So is this the same version from H&S or what?Same version,better recording,alternate recording...what,what,what?! lol
 
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As for whether it's the same take as H & S - you could try playing them back to back.....

 
It is the same rehearsal take found on H&S, but this one has been fixed. A very smart man explained to me once how it was fixed, but I had a hard time completely understanding what was explained…lol. From what I gathered, there was massive EQ work done and the Mid & Side were decoded. It sounds like a brand new song. And yes you can hear Ian's vocals unlike the H&S version. It appears that when the band used some of these rare recordings (including Ceremony), to decipher Ian’s lyrics, (after he passed) it compromised the recordings.
 
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Correct……. The rehearsal take on the new single is a completely unreleased take; it’s not the same take used on H&S. Of the 5 takes of IALP known to exist, part of the 5th take is the one featured on H&S! The complete 4th take is the one featured on this new single. If you compare what is found on H&S to what is found on the single, the differences will jump out at you; most obviously some extra synth at the beginning, and how Ian delivers his lyrics.

Also “In a Lonely Place” is not in mono like on H&S, but is in full stereo! Again the SoundQuality is staggering; the drums and synth are deep, and Ian’s vocals are crystal clear.


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Just listened to the record.

Firstly, Ceremony sounds a lot better than on the H&S boxset, much fuller and more rich, Ian's vocals are still quite hard to decipher, but it feels like they've managed to isolate them somewhat and clean them up. The music sounds fantastic though, very crisp.

In a Lonely Place is brilliant, really powerful. As Darkman has said, it's a very different take from the segment that was on H&S. Ian's delivery is in an almost vicious tone, he doesn't sound weary at all! It was just brilliant to be able to hear the whole song, the outro is particularly spine-tingling.


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In a Lonely Place is brilliant, really powerful. As Darkman has said, it's a very different take from the segment that was on H&S. Ian's delivery is in an almost vicious tone, he doesn't sound weary at all! It was just brilliant to be able to hear the whole song, the outro is particularly spine-tingling.
 


The most powerful song in their catalog. Vicious tone is right, where the next take is haunting; he sounds very tied. Agreed about the outro; the synth in the outro is very menacing; gripping.





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When I checked I found 66 sold and 30 active auctions at ebay.co.uk. So well over 10% are being sold by "fans"? within a couple of days...
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I wish I could listen to this record. But in a way, I like Rhino's policy. It's reminiscent of the way Joy Division published Atmosphere on that small french label.

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I was asked by management to provide them with mastered versions of the JD tracks featured on the 12", presumably because they were happy with the work I did for them on the 2007 reissues. Despite the H&S studiography, these tracks were not recorded at Graveyard Studios but on the band's 2-track reel-to-reel tape deck. The source for these two tracks on the 12" was not Hooky's tape as used for H&S; rather, these were a bit more direct off the reel from what I've learned.

Raw from reel, these tracks were only slightly better than what featured on H&S - the main obvious difference is that IALP from H&S is mono while this is full stereo. As Darkman implies a lot of work was put into the raw tracks for this release, namely EQ and mid/side decoding. Non-audioweenies only need to know that this 12" features true stereo recordings, while the H&S "Ceremony" exists in a compromised state. The difference is blindingly obvious when compared head-to-head, and overall the 12" versions are orders of magnitude better than the H&S versions.
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I was asked by management to provide them with mastered versions of the JD tracks featured on the 12", presumably because they were happy with the work I did for them on the 2007 reissues. Despite the H&S studiography, these tracks were not recorded at Graveyard Studios but on the band's 2-track reel-to-reel tape deck. The source for these two tracks on the 12" was not Hooky's tape as used for H&S; rather, these were a bit more direct off the reel from what I've learned.

Raw from reel, these tracks were only slightly better than what featured on H&S - the main obvious difference is that IALP from H&S is mono while this is full stereo. As Darkman implies a lot of work was put into the raw tracks for this release, namely EQ and mid/side decoding. Non-audioweenies only need to know that this 12" features true stereo recordings, while the H&S "Ceremony" exists in a compromised state. The difference is blindingly obvious when compared head-to-head, and overall the 12" versions are orders of magnitude better than the H&S versions.


Thanks for the info Drew; very interesting stuff. Nice to know the true lineage for the sources. You must be honored to have played a very important part in this single! Keep up the great work!


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Drew,
When you mentioned management you meant who? Rebecca and Andy?
It seems that the only JD member involved with this was Steve, am I correct?
Cheers.

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Drew, When you mentioned management you meant who? Rebecca and Andy? It seems that the only JD member involved with this was Steve, am I correct? Cheers.


Sorry, for various reasons I'm not commenting in any more detail than what I've already said. Things can be inferred i.e. "management" = Andy but I chose the words I used very carefully.
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The New Order version of In a Lonely Place is what got me into Joy Division in the first place.  This release is truly special, and FRUSTRATING because I can't play vinyl records!!!!  I hope to God that some clever person from "Management" decides to follow this up with a wider release via itunes or CD.
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   Opened my copy using a bread knife to split the Seal !!!
   The Outer sleeve has no raised lettering or embossing of the lettering .
   No Printing on the sleeve edge .
   The Inner sleeve is thicker than a usual slip sleeve but is devoid of any 
information of any kind !!  
   The tiresome Factory trend continues !!

   The labels are in a `Closer `style but with an Off white background.
   The run out groove notations are ;
   New Order side;
   A) Watching Forever   fac 33 A1
  
   Joy Division side ;
   B) How We Wish You Were Here With Us Now   fac 33 AA1

   Joy Division tracks ;
   Ceremony clocks in at 4.14 according to my counter
   In a Lonely place clocks in at 5.39
   and totally agree with the above comments about these recordings .
   
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The difference is blindingly obvious when compared head-to-head, and overall the 12" versions are orders of magnitude better than the H&S versions.

   
    Was it worth £30.00 ?   
    Just !!!


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Quite entertaining to see the amount of people complaining about not being able to listen to the 12" because they do not own a record player. Especially when it's still easy to pick a second-hand turntable up for less than the cost of said 12"!
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Just waiting for some kind souls out there in the internet ether to rip the darn thing and post it!

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#69

totally agree!

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Some say kind souls, others say stupid c---s
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Some subtle lyrical differences in the 2nd verse of IALP that I noticed from the H&S version:

Body that curls in *can't decipher*
A hardship that often belies
Dragged like a dog round your feet.
How I wish you were here with me now.


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Some say kind souls, others say stupid c---s


Yeah, that would be terrible, y'know people putting music on the internet so those of us who inhabit the 21st Century can listen to it.  A slipery slope I tell thee, next people will be communicating via the means of fangled computers instead of through quarterly fanzines.

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Last verse:

"How I wish you here with you now..."

Sung with a goodbye sense indeed, poor kid. IALP sounds very studio take and Ceremony as rehearsal tape.

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I realize the desperation of this first post, but please, someone post the songs. I've been checking this thread continuously everyday since Saturday.

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