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Reply with quote  #26 
Interesting to read t'other Tim's comments about Malvern - the venue is very similar to the Buxton WG that the Bunnymen played in "Shine So Hard". It's a lovely place, and at the time had a good track record of attracting alternative bands to an area of the country not generally associated with being on the pulse. The Velvet Underground played there I think, and they weren't the first. My first ever gig was there as well, Black Sabbath (!) in 1979. I couldn't believe it that the Order came back there in 1986, allegedly because they had liked the sandwiches made for them when they had visited as JD.

Must be something about the place and the band's occasional nod to history, as when the Order came back on for Sister Ray in 1986, the entire Happy Mondays joined them on stage. Loads of great photos of this at
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We don't know what the new unofficial releases are going to be - we just know they are in the pipeline. As soon as we know the information will go on the site


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Just bumping this one back to the top again, well worth another read !

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Tuesday 8th April 1980 :

My mate and I made the short trip to from his house in Rochdale to Bury in his beaten up Volkswagen Scirocco. We didn't have tickets for the Derby Hall gig but made the trip anyway in the hope that we could find someone with spare ones outside the venue.

Once we got there, we asked around for tickets...but there were none forthcoming. After a couple of pints in the pub around the corner, undeterred, we decided to hang around on the off chance that some tickets would turn up. After about half an hour, the side door of the Derby Hall opened and one Mr Peter Hook came out...ostensibly for a bit of fresh air. Obviously, when me and my mate saw him, we approached our hero and starting talking to him!!!! We told him our predicament and he seemed sympathetic. We then got on to the subject of records and we asked him about the new album etc etc. We also discussed the Sordide Sentimental release which was a sore subject for me...My mate had two copies which one of his relatives had bought for him whilst on holiday in France and he absolutely refused to sell me one despite my frequent pleas. I told Hooky this and he came up with a proposal!!! He told my mate that if he agreed to sell me one of the Sordide Sentimentals then he would get us both in free to the gig!!! mate agreed and Hooky got us in!!! (I still have the copy today!!!).

The gig itself was total chaos. It was hard to tell who was playing what song with who...Some sources say that Ian only sang on two recollection is that Ian sang Decades, The Eternal and Passover. Obviously, this was before Closer was released...and... I'd had a drink, but that is my personal recollection and what I have always remembered. The rest of the evening was just a blur with a huge scrap at the end of the night.

I actually taped the "gig" that night on my trusty Lloytron Cassette recorder strapped to my back, hidden behind my huge trench coat. As, I have posted before...the tape was long since lost and I can only assume that it suffered the fate of many of the gigs I recorded and got taped over by the Top 40 on sunday evenings. At the time...I can almost recall thinking..."Well that was a crap gig anyway, why would I bother keeping it?" However, I think I may have traded a copy with a guy from Beverley who I met at a record fair some months it may still exist...there is hope.

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Could someone please remind me what this is all about?

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Fucking hell, what a story that is !! You not only get to see one of the greatest bands of all time 'live' but you go to one of the most infamous gigs they ever played and you don't even pay to get in, you meet Hooky...and you bag a copy of Sordide Sentimental for good measure !!!

Sir, I bow down to your greatness.

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I guess when you put it like was a bit of a "result" !

...but I did have to pay my mate 20 quid for the Sordide!

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Manchester Apollo 28 - 10 - 79 Supporting Buzzcocks

I couldn't get downstairs tickets for the first night so went for the second. Rumours were all around about the night before's very average performance; but mate had heard they'd played 'Transmission' that had been on the recent Peel session (at that time I hadn't heard it) and reckoned he might just walk away from the gig after they played it because nothing of Buzzcocks would come close!

They ambled onstage; 'Good evening; we are Joy Division' then we were into it (the songs are catalogued on here; no need for me to repeat; as are the visions of Ian, dark brown shirt, slacks and Barney looking like he was hugging that guitar. Hookey was cool as feck and Steve Morris worked his ass off as usual.

Some were up in the aisles. They got great applause but the hall seemed empty somehow. Maybe the more punk audience didn't suit? Maybe the sound was one that didn't suit a large venue like the Apollo. I'd struggle now to tell you much about the Buzzcocks gig (bear in mind I was / am a Buzzcock's fan); all I wanted to do was get to grips with what I'd just witnessed. Watch 'Dead Souls' on HATYM video and tell me that after watching that you can't get it out of your head.

I was 16 then; 41 now. When I hit 17 I quit school to set up my own label / studios (it never happened) and started with a fanzine. I got a day job to pay for the dream and started work on 5 May 1980. I looked forward to the money and opportunity to spend time watching the bands I loved. In particular JD who had recorded the next album but I hadn't heard the tracks trailed much. They were about to fly out to America; a tough nut to crack for any band. I was expecting a sort of 'home coming' gig on their return. I picked up the Manchester Evening News on Monday 19th May and saw a story, 'Rock singer dies on eve of tour'.

I don't play JD records now (I can recall any one at whim and play it in my head!). After my clear-out I'll be left with the 4 cd box set for those times I want to recall it. But I know that several folk will admit, like me, they can't shake off the JD thing entirely even if we haven't heard them for a year.

There's a great line from on of the reviews in my JD cuttings book; Tony Wilson is chatting to a contributor to City Fun fanzine, ""We're the elitists having seen great bands who people will soon pay through the nose to see". I reckon the old sod's right"

Tell you what though. 2 year's ago I went to the 'Move' Festival gig and Tony W announced JD and NO; and NO did incredible JD songs; for the first time in 24 years I did the Curtis 'shimmy' and by God did those bass lines make me want to dance.

"'course, we were very, very, drunk"

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Reply with quote  #34 
This is exactly the kind of thing I envisaged when I started this thread.

We are slowly building a highly personal picture of experiences at the gigs.

Here's a post-JD era story:

I was a guest on Tony Wilson's show on Granada. One half of the show was about the legalising of drugs and the other half was about Teletubbies. I was there for the boring half to talk about the craze for the fab four that was then sweeping the nation cos I am a journalist with specialist knowledge of the toy biz.

Afterwards, in truly obsequious fashion, I shook TW by the hand and said, "Thanks for Joy Division" which seemed to spark him off and he talked enthusiastically about the forthcoming release of the Heart and Soul boxed set and how he was seeing IC's daughter, Natalie, that night and that she was "as mad as her Dad."

Now, back to the gigs. More memories, please.

Anyone see the European dates?

"The only thing worse than walking in on your Mom and Dad is walking in on your Dad ..."
(Quote courtesy of Milhouse)

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Reply with quote  #35 
In keeping with this thread anyone who hasn't done already should check out this:


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Be interested to hear from anyone who was at the recording of 'Something Else'. Must have been quite an experience having JD blasted into your face from about 10 foot away.
Wonder if Steve Morris' snare sounded like a biscuit tin in the studio ?!

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Reply with quote  #37 
Yes, I wish I was one of those bored looking suits vaguely bobbing their heads in front of the band.

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never got to see JD myself being that i was 2 when Ian died and I live in NYC. but I do know the guy that designed the official JD badges for Factory. He lives here now and is always out at shows. He was good friends with all of them and I asked what they were like live. He told me he never went to see them because he thought theyd be around. He also told me of one particular gig which he made a special bunch of badges for at acklam hall? which he lived around the corner from. Instead of going to the show, he and Tony Wilson just got high instead at his house.
I did get to meet Peter Hook recently which was great. Thats about it.
You're stories are great.

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I had seen Joy Division on the front of the NME - the issue where Ian and Bernard or Steve were sitting on a wall. I thought they looked like mods because of the shirts, dress trousers and black shoes.


My mate, at the time, and I had been to the Edinburgh Odeon, which is actually a cinema, the previous month to see the Skids as his sister lived in Edinburgh so in October we saw that Buzzcocks were coming and arranged to get to that show.


Punk was already dead and buried with cartoon bands all that was left but Buzzcocks still retained some attraction and drew a big crowd.


We arrived at the gig with the support band already on stage. Joy Division. They had just kicked off as we went into the foyer.


It was just weird. I had gone to see Buzzcocks full of anticipation of speed fuelled pop songs and here was Joy Division.


They seemed dwarfed on the massive stage. We looked down from the upper circle and had an amazing view. The lighting was just this constant deep blue light - no flashes, no changes, just this really deep constant blue.


The band were mainly motionless - Sumner to the left as you looked at the stage and Hook to the right with Ian Curtis in the middle.


The thing I remember most was the sound. The bass was so heavy. Not hard or distorted but just absolutely booming. It absolutely shook the foundations. I've heard a tape since and it sounds quite trebly - I put that down to the mono cassette recorder it was probably recorded on because that was not what I recall.


Ian seemed to be roaring and stomping the floor as if he was trying to put his feet through the stage. He seemed so intense.


It's strange to read in later years that this was the gig that Aneke was at and the significance that it must have had to Ian personally.


I went out to get some merch after the band went off but they came back on and played Transmission for a second time so I ran back in through the stalls doors and stood at the back. The encore wasn't on the cassette recording of the set.


The following week I went out and got Transmission on 7" and it was nothing like anything else I had at he time.


My approach to music changed at that point from punk to something else but I wasn't sure what it was. I was only 14.


I bought all the releases such as the Earcom and Electric Circus stuff as well as the outright JD material.


In later years when I had some cash and was working I bought the Factory Sampler 2 x 7", with the set of 5 stickers which no-one ever seems to mention, but I then went on to sell them once I realised that they were not important to me - the personal memory of that gig mean more than anything I could hold in my hand.


This year aged 40 I went to the crem and looked for Ian's memorial stone. I found it and it and it was an extremely emotional point in my life. Not tearfull but more a feeling of satisfaction that I had somehow repaid a debt of some sort but making the effort to go and stand before it - full circle.


I don't really know how to explain it - perhaps someone else may undertsand what it meant.


Now I don't own any vinyl, I don't have any rarieties/collectables - just those memories of how it felt to discover something so new, so strong, to stand before it and be part of it and to loose it so cruelly.


I hated New Order - I hated Bernard for the things he said about Ian after he died how Ian had ruined their career but I'm glad that NO eventually got around to playing the songs again.


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Oh boo - nobody or nothing ever comes to North America......*sigh*...............


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Wow, I just discovered this forum, and I wanted to say thank you for the awesome stories of seeing the real deal.  Thanks for sharing. Seriously.





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Well I suppose I'd better finally put down my recollections of seeing JD live:

  1. Two of my friends were at college in Stratford-on-Avon and between Xmas and New Year 1978 there was a college trip to London. They stayed in halls of residence somewhere in Islington and on the night of the 27th of December they and a friend decided to go to the Hope & Anchor on the off chance they might see someone good! (They almost certainly went because of the reputation of the H & A!) This is how the 3 of them found themselves making up 10% of the paying audience at Joy Divisions first gig in London. I remember them telling me that they were distinctly unimpressed!
  2. I started University in Leeds in October 1979, during the first week of the new year, the ents people put on a series of gigs for freshers week. that year on consecutive nights we had Buzzcocks / Joy Division, Banshees / Cure and The Stranglers / Aswad. What an introduction to student life! I was (and still am) a huge Buzzcocks fan so I managed to get in early to watch the soundcheck. Whilst there I met all 4 members of JD and chatted to IC and SM (the friendly ones!) PH and BS lurked about and scowled a lot (I think they were pissed off about their soundcheck!) I remember being amazed by Ian's eyes, he was really friendly and gave me a huge UP poster which the band all signed on the back (This was in the days before silver pen!) They also signed my inner sleeve to UP and my ticket (and before you ask, these are all long gone!) I remember nothing (!) or very little of their set, I don't remember IC being helped off stage but I do remember it was absolutely packed and have recollections of a girl severing an artery and the arc of blood hitting the very high ceiling!
  3. Easter 1980 saw me going home for the hols and a group of us went to Malvern to see JD at the Winter Gardens. As others have said, this was a fantastic old venue where I saw some great gigs (Magazine / Simple Minds, The Banshees, Doctor Feelgood). I remember that it was nowhere near full but JD looked and sounded fantastic in such a setting. I recall the 'Girls Don't Count' jam with Section 25 very clearly, too many people on stage!
  4. I came down again from University on a special trip to see JD at Birmingham University High Hall on 2nd May 1980. When I was picked up from the station I learnt that my sister had been thrown from her horse that day and had broken her back so the trip to the gig had to be cancelled! Fortunately she made a full recovery, unfortunately I missed the last JD gig! (I have just about forgiven her!) I still have a postcard which a friend sent me asking if I was coming down to see 'Shaking Steve Morris and the JDs' (our pet name for them!)

Not much in the way of exciting insights I know, but I can still get a rise out of one friend because I saw JD and he didn't (He however saw the Pistols first time round so I think we are even)



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Seeing the gig list in Torn Apart brought back some memories.


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Bedge ... Bedge


You're supposed to type up those memories here - not just refer in passing to the fact that you have some


What was the earliest one you went to? We never seem to hear from people who saw the early warsaw gigs!


At a Later date
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Well, let's start at Last Night at the Electric Circus. Jeez, what a shithole, what a sweatbox, what a swimming pool of beer! Always amazes me that Ian get fingered for the Rudolf Hess shout. Can't remember if I heard them play prior to the gig. I know that early on they tried out a couple of their mates from school as singer. One "Nidder" Gresty for a start. Ugliest bastard this side of King Kong - eat peas from a knife, tipped into an anthropoidal lip. Other "bessie" mate was Pearsy (nutter who joined the filth and ended up in firearms). Please let me believe they also tried out the ugliest bloke this side of Pete Birrell - One "Mouldy Marvin" (Barney and Hooky had a reunion at the Hac and him and "Woody" attended). Like many "last nights" shambolic, but not more so than any other night. Next "review" coming soon.


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Rafters! Now that were a place beholden to the initiated. Soul Boys, stray gonks and misplaced chicken in a basket wannabees from Fagins upstairs. Was it this gig I remember mooching about for ages with Terry, swilling Special Brew, and seeing Ian haranging, (in the best punk manner), various passers by. Maybe it was a later one. Rafters was a regular venue. The sort of place where "Fitz" stirred up "birds" vodkas and limes with his dick, after dropping his kecks on a crowded dancefloor.


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Next un'll be the Squat! Jeezus H, the beer, the nudity, the scraps, the wresting for the mike!


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F'ckin excellent stuff. Love these old memories, I wasnae born till '75 so it's great hearing from the lucky buggers who did get to see them.

Keep it coming.


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The Squat was a gig'narf. JD plus the Worst + others, who's names I forget. The Worst certainly lived up to their name. I think there was some sort of benefit set up, coz there was loads of jumble and stuff backstage. That came straight out into the assembled "masses" and woz ripped to shreds. A "roadie," or maybe a pissed up punter was stripped bolllock and chucked in for good measure. The audience gave Barney some "sound" advice to reduce the excessive feedback coming from the pa. A scrap broke out, and JD sang Anarchy in the UK, before the mike was nicked off Ian and passed round so we could all to have a go. The 70's eh, what a decade!


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Is this the June 1st '77 gig?  I'm very impressed that you can recall these. According to the gigography, they went to Newcastle for June 2nd, and did another Scamps performance the following day, with John the Postman doing his rendition of Louie Louie...
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