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Isolated

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I know this has caused a big debate, so I asked Stephen Morris himself.

Here's the mail and answer :

Hi Stephen,
On a couple of set-lists in 1979 - Soundtrack was written down as a possible opener, can you remember which song this would have referred to, if you don't know, I am guessing no-one else will ;-)


Hi Shug
That is a good question-I had to think about that one.Two candidates spring to mind Exercise One and I Remember Nothing. Of the two I think that it was I Remember Nothing  (Exercise One was a bit earlier I think) as it never had a fixed title or arrangement or lyrics until we recorded it for UP and we had to think of them.I seem to recall Rob arguing that we should start the set with "that synthesiser one", while I put forward the case for finishing with it,on more than one occasion.
Could be completely wrong though.



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So that's that one (not) cleared up!

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Many thanks for this information, I. In that case, and seeing that Exercise One was already going by that title in September '78 (see the other thread), I'm not too proud to eat my hat and concede that Ian/the band probably used 'Soundtrack' for 'I Remember Nothing', while Rob referred to it as "Synthesizer One".

But what about the 'Germanic One' then, noted down by Gretton in January '79 (see p. 57 in 1 Top Class Manager)? Was that his first pet name for IRN, equating synthesizers with Kraftwerk?
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Thanks for that Isolated, great to hear it from the horse's mouth.
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Isolated, seeing as you have SM's ear can you do me a favour and ask him how, on Insight, he manages to hit his snare drum, hi hat and Synare drum at the same time....seriously. It's had me baffled for years. Also, tell him it's about time he brought out his book. Now that would be worth buying.

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... so that's why it's called "I remember nothing" ...

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I know the answer:
It's the soundtrack to a german film by Werner Herzog (the director of Stroszek).

Joy Division used it as an intro to some of their concerts. I have one boot, where the intro is included. This is the reason it's called "soundtrack" or "the german one" and maybe - I'm not so sure about that -  "the synthesizer one". The soundtrack was played and composed by the band "Popul Vuh" and they used a lot of synthesizers and composed the music to many Werner Herzog Films. I guess they used the Nosferatu-Soundtrack. IIRC on that boot Joy Division started to play Dead Souls while the soundtrack was fading out, but I'm not sure.

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And round and round we go.....
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Yes, Dirk, it's known that the band used "On The Way" off Popol Vuh's soundtrack album for the Werner Herzog version of Nosferatu. However the available evidence indicates that they did this towards the end of the tour supporting Buzzcocks only (Hemel Hempstead and last night at the Rainbow Theatre). In itself this does not rule out that the band used it on earlier occasions as well, but known setlists from early '79 clearly indicate that the band used to play one of their own songs before doing the She's Lost Control/Shadowplay/Leaders of Men sequence. Therefore it makes more sense to think that 'Soundtrack' was actually a proper JD song and not merely the walk on music.

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Thought we'd nailed this a few months ago, and that it was in fact Ian's name for No Love Lost?

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I thought so too TJ, but really this new info suggests otherwise. It's also possible that the "Soundtrack" title was used for different songs at different stages. We know that some songs swapped titles, e.g. "A Means To An End" was known as "Incubation" at one point. This also used to happen with New Order.

While already released songs sometimes were referred to with different titles (e.g."KW1", "Little Dead"), I suppose it wouldn't make sense that an already released song would suddenly take the name of a new unreleased track. If NLL was ever known as "Soundtrack", it was probably way before that title was used for "Exercise One" or "I Remember Nothing" (if it ever was used for one of those songs, or both).

All three songs were used as set openers at at least one point, so I suppose we still can't be sure.



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They often referred to tracks on setlists under working titles, even up until the end, no reason NLL wasn't another example of this.

Has anyone ever seen NLL ever referred to on a setlist under that title?

Also, they had a name for 'Exercise One' and at least a useable title for IRN ('Synth' or 'Synthesiser One').
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While it's true that New Order did continue to use working titles for a couple of songs long after their initial airing, I don't think there's any evidence that they already did this in the JD days. In fact I believe there are only two known cases where they came up with anything else but "New Song" or "New One" on a setlist: Chance and Soundtrack.
Thus, we see that as soon as the band had settled on a song title this decision was final and it was always used from that point onward (the only exception seems to have been Cross of Iron/Cross of Blood, which at different points was used for Means To An End and Incubation, though I don't think it appears on any surviving handwritten setlist; clearly somebody in the band was fond of the title, but it was never used after all). Look at Lost Control on the mystery setlist and this setlist from early March (Marquee or Hope & Anchor). An interesting one is the setlist for the Royalty Theatre in London on June 17th, 1979 on which Rob Gretton has crossed out "Chance" and changed it to Atmosphere (barely 14 days after the Piccadilly radio session). There's also the setlist for the previous day's gig at the Canterbury Odeon on which Gretton has added "Something Must Break" next to "New One".

In sum, given that Exercise One was already in use in September '78 and No Love Lost was even older, 'Soundtrack' is most likely the early title for a new song yet to be given its final title in early March '79. What with Steve Morris' contribution to the discussion, I'm quite happy to settle for I Remember Nothing at this point (bearing in mind that 'Germanic One' and 'Synthesiser One' are known from notes in Gretton's handwriting only).

But we'll probably never agree to agree until all of the setlists included in Rob Gretton's notebooks have been published. Maybe somebody should start pestering the people of the Manchester District Music Archive again for more scans.

Oh, wait, there's one final note especially for truth. In Kevin Cummins' latest book there are a couple of photographs of pages from Ian Curtis' notebooks. "Notebook pages 4 (Ian Curtis)" (in the opening memorabilia section) lists the following song titles:

House of Dolls
Inside The Line
Leaders of Men
Novelty
New One! My Mind)
Weird One (v. short)
Ice Age
At A Later Date

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The first song is not yet called No Love Lost, but it isn't Soundtrack, either ;-) .
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But we'll probably never agree to agree until all of the setlists included in Rob Gretton's notebooks have been published. Maybe somebody should start pestering the people of the Manchester District Music Archive again for more scans.


There are no more JD setlists, or they would have been in the book.
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'Ceremony' was also known as 'New One' on the setlist for the final gig. The scan of it is in the concerts section of this site.


I think his point was that the band only twice used names that weren't 'New One' or 'New Song' when referring to new songs on setlists, with those two times being with Chance and Soundtrack.

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