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This is great, Max!

Many thanks for posting these.  It's so cool seeing stuff like this.

Fanzines, like sharing live tapes, were such an important part of any band's fandom back in the day.  It was a way for other fans to connect, share thoughts and discuss their love of their favourite band (in our case, the wonderful Joy Division and New Order).

It's really rather special to not only be able to see these rare fanzines, but to also see some of the thought processes, love and creativity you (and your colleagues) put into making them.

Thank you, Max, for sharing these.  It is very much appreciated.
Please continue to post your insights and photos of further issues.  I really look forward to hearing your thoughts on FACTUS II and would LOVE to see FACTUS III, IV, V & VI as I have never seen these before.

All the very best,

C
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Shall i keep posting sales of zines,when i find them?
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I used to write with a bunch of fans who all contributed to the fanzine. 

Back in those days we didn't have email and the internet and pc's at home like we have now so it was all sending and receiving letters and waiting for days for the mail to arrive.

I was lucky Gerard Davelaar contacted me a few weeks later and asked me if he could do some work on STANDARD FACTUS II.

He sure did a wonderful job, FACTUS II was impressing to me / us at STANDARD.

If any of you are interested I can do that one next.

Please do,just for archives sake and quite a few here haven't had the pleasure to see them.great retro feeling for others.

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Shall i keep posting sales of zines,when i find them?


Yes please.  I'm always interested in buying these rather great little pieces of history (providing the price isn't too high).

I'm specifically on the lookout for 'Factsheet 1A', all issues of 'Standard' and all issues of 'Last Orders'.
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I wall add all finds on this thread or pm you,if you prefer?
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I wall add all finds on this thread or pm you,if you prefer?


There's a temptation for me to say 'PM me', just so that there's less interested parties bidding against me.  [wink]

But I'm not like that.  [smile]
This thread has been good so far for sharing the love, so let it continue.  Just post the links here.  Thanks!
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Thanks for the positive input, I'll upload new photos soon I promise.

I "discovered" Joy Division through listening to New Order first. I remember receiving  a tape with the RCA sessions on it in ’82 and while listening I kept thinking : “Damn…this is so good”.

I played it on and on, on my walkman while riding my bike to school. 

Raw energy and emotions put into music. I should try to get a cd of that RCA session.  It will bring back good memories I’m sure.

Later on I started collecting tapes, LP’s, bootlegs and books and fanzines and built up quite a collection.  Later on I decided to sell almost all of my collection and bought most of it on CD. 

I stopped collecting and lost my interest in New Order when they became too “commercial” and their music didn’t appeal to me anymore. I also started listening to the Sisters Of Mercy and Siouxsie and the Banshees. SOM were also included in the later editions of STANDARD.

My personal live changed (GF, work etc) and later on I started playing / singing in bands, that was a no-brainer for me. I had no idea how to play bass or to sing...so there I was screaming and playing out of tune with a skillfull guitarist and drummer but they stuck with me an in the end I / we got there and we had some decent gigs / recordings. We split up and got together again and our last gig was the best ever in my opnion. Later on I joined up with the drummer and we went electronic as V.O.I.D.M.K.20. After that I started DIE WELT on my own.

Joy Division and the early New Order stuff still appeals to me.

I still have some posters, books and fanzines, the stuff concerning STANDARD, postcards etc.

But the more valuable stuff I sold all of it about 25 years ago.

I have 1 or two extra copies of STANDARD, not sure what I’ll do with those.

My musical taste hasn’t changed much, a mix of classical music (Wagner) and the oldies like JOD/(old) NO, Siouxsie, The Doors etc.  New bands have almost no appeal to me. I always return to the old days.  Must be getting older, I guess.

A couple of years ago I discovered the magnificent later works / cd’s  by Talk Talk… the experimental period…damn…..those are real gems.

But I must admit I also love to turn up the volume and set Rammstein free : Links 2,3, 4!

And I should try to work on my own music (DIE WELT) as well, those track take years to complete.[comp]

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A poster that was never used...hand-written/made again.
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Hi Max.

I became a fan of New Order first, like yourself.  However, my introduction was much later, during their commercial phase, in 1987 (following the release of 'True Faith').  I kind of wish that I could've got into the two bands earlier but, to be fair, I was 15 in 1987, so any earlier, I probably wasn't that into music.

The advantage of getting into bands late though is the fact that you have a whole wealth of material to fall back on; the 2 x JD studio LPs, the 4 x NO studio LPs (at the time), Still, the 2 x Substance collections, the Peel Sessions, bootlegs etc.  A real treasure trove.

Fanzines were my first introduction to Joy Division & New Order fandom, as I sent off for a fanzine called 'Paradise', one that specialised in New Order, but obviously paid respects to Joy Division too.  I made some friends through that fanzine and became very good friends with the main creator.  I was even best man at his wedding.  

So it just goes to show what an impact publications like 'Standard', 'Factsheet', 'Paradise' had on people back in the day.  Not just on sharing knowledge, but creating friendships.  That all the time and effort put into these things was well spent.  You guys have your own little place in the history of this great band.

I really look forward to seeing more posts from you.

PS if you do decide you want to sell your extra copies of 'Standard', please let me know, as I would love to buy them.
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Off topic-ish,but before starting a new thread,i'll just squish it in here....has a nice article about 'closers' design & a blistering picture of that elusive creature known as "mark reeder",if only he could be caught with a net and tickled untill he surrenders to a Q & A?
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https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SCREAM-CITY-FACTORY-RECORDS-JOY-DIVISION-HACIENDA-FANZINE-CDR-NEW-ORDER-RARE/123626330638?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D56491%26meid%3D290b89d0036d46599b92b2be70b08761%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D2%26sd%3D392235632093%26itm%3D123626330638&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851

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STANDARD FACTUS II meant a leap forward.

Gerard did a splendid job on the graphics, he worked on FACTSHEET and the H.I.C. books before. Working for a large publisher / magazine he was able to do runs on the printing presses there. Sales were up and the copies were sold in a short period of time.

Apart from me in Holland and Jan Erik in Norway my girlfriend from France was added as a contact (Nancy region) and a bunch of copies were sold / sent to the UK as well and ads appeared in the major musical magazines there.

Copies made were 100 at first but extra runs were made a little later on, Gerard printed some to sell himself and that was fine with me. But my guess is numbers didn't exceed 300-400 in total for this edition.

A lot of material was sent in by various readers and contributors, we were always thankful for that.

The Hawkeye story that appeared in this edition is still a very interesting read, as well as other lists / information.

Here's some photos of the original text /  pages I typed, most of this material was used in this edition, and photos of my personal copy.

One page also contains plans for a Low Life album lyrics booklet to appear as a supplement to FACTUS III, but was never published.

33 years have passed since…..have fun reading.

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Again, great insights to this fanzine, Max.  Many thanks for posting these images.

FACTUS II was excellent; a real improvement to the already great FACTUS I.
There's so many facts jammed into it and it must have been a vital piece of fandom at the time, providing fans with a wealth of information.

Personal highlights for me are the bootleg reviews and also the 'video facts'.  I remember having a photocopy of a few of the pages of this issue back in early 1990s.  The pages I had included these 'video facts' and spurred me on to try to find as much of this material as I could get my hands on (*).

I really liked the splash of colour used sporadically throughout the book.  It helped to brighten things up and break up the text a little.

A truly excellent issue and I am really looking forward to seeing FACTUS III, as I have not seen that issue at all before.


* I've done very well trying to complete the items listed in the 'Video Facts' section.  However, I'm still missing the following, so if anyone has these and can help out, please PM me:

23/12/81 Granada Reports (news report with We Will Rock You, Ode To Joy used as background)
13/09/83 Loose Talk (Charles Sturridge interview)
20/09/83 Loose Talk (Wilson interview)
23/12/83 The Tube (Arthur Baker interview)
27/01/85 Tiffany's, Leeds gig (I have most of the gig but I'm missing the last 3 tracks; Face Up, Blue Monday, Age Of Consent)
19/04/85 Macclesfield gig
15/12/85 Arena, Rotterdam gig
27/01/86 Villa Tempo (BRT) (Hooky & Barney playing football)

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Haven't seen one of these before and the description doesn't help either:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Joy-Division-Factor-Sheet/323712849211?epid=223036157&hash=item4b5eca153b:g😃zoAAOSwXIFcdmqa:rk:13😋f:0

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Looks like xeroxed cuttings from some magazine(s) put together (by a fan?)...£25.00...damn...
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No i know...ye were right:
http://www.joydiv.org/bk8.htm

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Neil used to contribute to STANDARD and we were in contact back in those days.

I think I must have that edition lying around somewhere....
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Fook,missed out on this one:
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I have a copy of that Neil Woodvine book. It’s a nice item. I learned a lot from that book, which was much more detailed than the Ideal For Living or Pleasures & Wayward Distractions books (which were the only two books that I had at that time).
I think mine is a first print.

£4.00? I’m surprised it didn’t go for more.

I used to converse with Neil a little bit back in the early 90s. He lived not far from me. Nice chap.
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I Purchased that Neil Woodvine book from eBay.
The Auction was Closed Early because My `Best Offer` was Accepted [£15.00].
The Picture was Crap though as the cover is Bright Blue !!
Plenty of Material to Read but Apart from the Cover no Pictures!
However a Good Acquisition

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I Purchased that Neil Woodvine book from eBay.
The Auction was Closed Early because My `Best Offer` was Accepted [£15.00].
The Picture was Crap though as the cover is Bright Blue !!
Plenty of Material to Read but Apart from the Cover no Pictures!
However a Good Acquisition


Hmm, interesting.
The picture makes the cover look beige / yellow, which is actually the colour that mine is.

Mine doesn't have that binder along the spine, as shown in the picture.  Instead, it's stapled neatly along the spine.
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Happy for you,mate....at least it is in good hands & wont resurface on ebay for x-amount.i bet a couple of us would be happy,if you could add scans here for archival purposes?
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Here's a couple of photos of mine for comparison purposes:

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Scanning might be a problem (for me anyway).  The staples are heavy-duty and would be difficult to take apart without damaging the book.

I could try and take photos of each page, but it may be a little tricky; the spine is quite tight and the print quality is very feint (printed on a dot-matrix printer, or similar).  There's also about 100-150 pages of it.  I doubt that I could make a good job of them.  As johnny23 said, it's very text heavy, and with the feint text (some really feint pages).  Additionally, as the paper is very thin, you can see the text from the next page seeping through.  

I doubt that handheld photos would cut it.  It really needs to be scanned properly.

I'll give it a go with a camera at some point though and see how the first few pages turn out.
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Hi Max.

Just wondered if you’d managed to take photos of FACTUS 3.

Sorry to hassle - just really looking forward to seeing it and the later issues.

Best wishes,

Colin
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Too little time.....but I will get to it one day....I hope.  [comp]
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