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Hello, all. My name is Ami and I'm unlurking a few weeks after finding this forum. I'm almost 38 and new to Joy Division. Sort of. I love post punk, and have since I was a wee anachronistic teen, but back then of course it was harder to find good music. And I admit that I'd crossed paths before, but for some reason, I couldn't "get it".

For me, the story and the music are a package deal, but also, their live performance is so different from the albums that it was a missing element that finally helped me come around. Perhaps I'm about to out myself as a musical ignoramus who doesn't attend concerts (fear of crowds, sensory overwhelm, delicate snowflake despite my best intentions), but I've never been a fan of a band where I actually preferred the live performances to the album. I LOVE the Paradiso show.

I also find the story of the band, and Ian's life, fascinating. My father was a farmer and truck driver in Upstate NY, not a musician in Manchester, but he was a moody, sometimes volatile man, and had started having seizures in the mid 80s (chemical exposure? Brain damage? A tumor? Super late onset epilepsy? We don't know.) My mother had left and served him divorce papers and he wasn't supposed to be driving bc of the seizures, and his life was unraveling when he killed himself when I was 5, in 1987.

Not to say that this is anything except coincidence, but it does make me particularly interested in Ian's life history. I have experienced how seizures and the meds can change a person's life and personality, until you don't quite recognize them anymore, and they don't recognize themselves. (But this is certainly not always the case, and probably the treatment has gotten a lot better in the past 35-40 years, and it definitely doesn't help if the person is not one to share his feelings and if their life's work contradicts the medical recommendations.)

So yeah. The music is amazing, the history resonates, I'm late to the party but I feel super lucky that I discovered Joy Division in the age of the internet where I have the opportunity to hear that Paradiso show at all.

See you round!
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Welcome amy (officially now [wink]),sorry about your loss and ailments,i know what you are going through and respect your openess about it.
JD live is awesome but if you want to hear them raw in the studio,check out the 8 songs they recorded for the peel sessions and after that have a snoop into new orders first 2 peel sessions also...hope you'll enjoy.
Ps.: Did benno help ?

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Welcome aboard and thanks for sharing your story.

Don't worry about 'coming to the party late'.
It doesn't matter when you got here.  It only matters that you made it! [smile]

So what other post-punk bands were you listening to back in the day?


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I will check those out!

I hadn't gotten to pm benno yet. I'll do that now!
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So what other post-punk bands were you listening to back in the day?




I was stuck on The Cure when I was a teen, but I don't think I knew it was part of a larger genre of music. And I also liked Depeche Mode, Siouxsie and the Banshees, and some Gang of Four.
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"Don't worry about 'coming to the party late'.
It doesn't matter when you got here.  It only matters that you made it! [smile]"

Sir,i applaud your wisely chosen words of wisdom! o7





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I am 48 which made me also come late to the party in '84/'85...real bummer.if i only had 5 years more on my life's speedometer,i would've definitely seen them in cologne & maybe by chance in manchester when visiting family if the dates would've matched.all we can do now is marvel at all the artifacts left behind by those brave bootleggers (benno for one)!
The only reconciliation is seeing manchester united play at old trafford against liverpool (those little beatle buggers) but would swap that memory for even one of jd's bad gigs in a heartbeat (sorry pops,rip)!

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"Don't worry about 'coming to the party late'.
It doesn't matter when you got here.  It only matters that you made it! [smile]"

Sir,i applaud your wisely chosen words of wisdom! o7



Thank you!  [smile]

I'm 48 too, and didn't get into the band until 1987, so a long time after they ended.
Never got to see them, but have seen New Order (who I love just as much) many times.

Ami - I like your choice of bands.

DM are probably my second favourite band, after JD/NO.
I'm guessing that we might be in a small group of admirers on here though.  I know quite a few JD/NO fans who really don't like the 'pop' side of DM (image, chart-focussed promotion etc.).  That's never really bothered me and I think that 'Black Celebration' / 'Music For The Masses' / 'Violator' are an incredible trinity of LPs.

As regards, The Cure, I love LPs 1-4 and Disintegration.  There are some other gems on the other LPs / b-sides though too.

The Banshees did some great LPs and were mostly an excellent 'singles' band.

'Entertainment' by Gang Of Four is one of the best LPs of the period / genre.  Excellent stuff.

If I can suggest some other bands whose back catalogues / live performances are worth checking out, these are my favourites:

The Chameleons
The Comsat Angels
The Sound

They're all ridiculously good.
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If I can suggest some other bands whose back catalogues / live performances are worth checking out, these are my favourites:

The Chameleons
The Comsat Angels
The Sound

They're all ridiculously good.


And there is a live recording of Comsats in the 'Other Bands' folder in BT Cloud! Plus I have started going through my reggae recordings, so check them out, too.

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And there is a live recording of Comsats in the 'Other Bands' folder in BT Cloud! Plus I have started going through my reggae recordings, so check them out, too.


Great stuff!  I'll download.
Many thanks.

Their first three LPs were incredible.  They kind of went off the boil after then, but their last two LPs were a somewhat return to form.
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