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Extremely good reads those two articles 2BitMonkey, thanks for those. The main piece is particularly interesting in its analysis of the shortcomings of Control. Even though I was thrilled to have a proper film made about Joy Division and really enjoyed it, I nevertheless can't disagree with your point about how Ian is in many ways shown in a quite negative light when there could have been more balance on this issue.
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Thanks bigal! Now that we have Hooky's book it would be interesting to see if there's enough interest in another documentary that tells the other side of Ian's story.  Especially in this day and age when there's so much in popular culture that touches on mental illness (see Silver Linings Playbook) I would imagine that a well-done Ian Curtis movie could actually reach a mass audience. 
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I would like to see another Big screen Joy Division film, setting itself apart from control and concentrating on the more laddish side of Ian, the touring, etc... from hookys book. some scenes in that would be great in a film.
like I said before, call it "Living in the Night" (transmission lyrics)

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Yeah, and you also asked if there's anyone who'd write a script with you. I said I haven't read Hooky's book, but I can sort of imagine Ian's laddish side from interviews of Hooky and he's said Ian was a really nice guy and he wasn't morose at all and he was a pleasure to be with. And the Transmission lyrics I think would be something useful to go on... I'll do the script and all the writing work with you if you want, Mikeol1987. I'm quite happy to write, as I write stuff myself, i.e. books which I type on the Off-topic forum [The Dancer on the Stones and Asphelie de Lune are the ones I've done so far, I'll type another one up soon... ]

Tell me if you want me to work on the script with you, OK?

Thanks,

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You should definitely read the book to see the scenes I'm talking about. you'll know which ones I mean, I think there is a great, more realistic side to Ian that has not been shown in control, to be fair.

I don't know if I was entirely dedicated to writing a script, I'm an ideas man, and a musician myself, that has been for some time, struggling with a mental block of shitty creativity-less-ness, but I'm on the verge of resurrecting my band so I don't know if I'd have time to dedicate to a strong serious project but I urge you to go forward with it and tag the rights, I throw the odd idea in here and there and come on as Producer

but a producer that doesn't produce money, haha... ideas. 

Unless I have alot of money, in which case I would fund it.

 


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I wanted to read Hooky's book once, and got it from my local library, but when the librarian looked at it, she told me there was a lot of swearing in it and took it back. I can believe that because a lot of the interviews on YouTube I've seen of Hooky, he swears in them. I once read a book with a lot of swearing in it [can't remember the title, but it was a fiction book] and it put me off reading the rest of the book, so I probably wouldn't read Hooky's book because of that really.

I can kind of imagine a more realistic side to Ian from some of his lyrics [I'll PM you and tell you what I'm talking about].
I'm a musician - keyboards, bass guitar. I don't sing though. 

Yeah, so I'll PM you on the lyrics front and if you approve, I'll write a script for you.

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I don't know how you could write a script without reading Hooky's book ... plus I wonder what IP rights you'd need to secure to do an adaptation.

For funding, why not kickstarter?  I know I'd contribute.

(As an aside, curious to know where you live where books are confiscated by librarians because of "too much swearing."  Or did I misread you?  Unknown Pleasures has some swearing to be sure, though I'm not sure I'd call it "a lot".)
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No, I obviously won't be able to base it on Hooky's book because I haven't read it, but I was kind of going with the lyrics as I saw kind of a jokey side to some of them.
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There really is some scenes in that I can imagine translating well to the big screen though. even if they are embellished a bit by hooky.

things like him being lumped into carrying the equipment all the time, because he had the van... Ian and Bernard would sneak off to the bar early or just go for a ciggy 


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Oh, Mikeol1987

Did you get the PM I sent you yesterday?

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I Did get your PM, hopefully you got my reply 
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Yes, I got your reply.
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Did I miss the bit where we pointed out that the very first anecdote about the string popping out in the first song, Exercise One at the first JD gig was utter bollocks? We have the setlist from that gig, and they opened with Leaders of Men!

Plus Bournemouth 79 where Ian supposedly had a masisve fit at the start of the set and had to be hospitalised? How did they play a nine song set with Ian doing vocals on the whole gig then? If anything they were on longer than most gigs on that tour! Ian did have a bit fit that needed hospital treatment that night, but not at the start of the set.

There are more......

 

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He's also got the release of LWTUA 7" as being in April..... before Ian's death. Also, I've just looked at the paperback version in Waterstones, which has different page numbering and someone's forgotten to alter the Index numbering accordingly. Oops.
Still enjoyed the read, tho.


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I just got my hardcover copy (by the way nice cover and graphic!) and I must admit I enjoy reading it...its quite fun and is a good thing to "humanize" JD and Ian... D.Curtis Touching from a distance is a wonderful book but still trying to make a mythology out of IC...it has that female sensitivity, its very romantic and sentimental...Hookys is exactly the opposite...it portrays IC as one of the lads...very "normal", even if exeptional in his creative uniqueness....I think Hooky is right when he says that the magic created by JD was mainly thanx to IC effort to unite the different personalities of the band...that magic fell apart in New Order and ended in the worst possible way as we can all see during these last few months
and really who cares if there are some mistakes and some swearing? Its life...life is made of mistakes, ups and downs...a book of memories is not a scientific tract!
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I've read Hooky's book, and it's brilliant! He's a good writer, Hooky is, and he just tells Joy Division's story how it is, rather than romanticising it. 
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Does this book shed any light ( no pun intended ) on the tape of the gig that has never been properly indentified - early 79 possibly Band on the Wall?
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Received it last week..... read half of it, and I'm really sad thinking I'll finish in 2 or 3 more days..... I'm really enjoying it! Hooky is really fun to read, an excellent book for sure, with lots and lots of great info and anecdotes!
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I have a hardcover copy signed by Hooky. I read it a while ago. I found it quite funny in places, describing the band's antics. I'm probably going to hell for finding the activities of troubled people so funny. Of course, it does go into Ian's death, but it doesn't dwell on the "deep dark" stuff. I agree with the posters above in that it'd make an excellent film!
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finally got it & am half-way through....loving it!like a transcript of a 'spoken-word' gig.can understand that 'non-mancs' (or alien to northern souls) don't quite catch the lingo or style of delivery but thats tough luck.
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awful nice of the 'hookster' to pay gratitude to one of our dearest board members (did spell him wrong though,deliberately maybe?) 'darkman'!nice call,pete!
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