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The wait is over and Peter Hook's book on Joy Division is published today.

So ... what do you think?

If you're posting a spoiler please make it clear at the top of your post so people who are waiting to read the book can avert their eyes - and if there's new information which means we need to update the main JD Central web site please let us know here ... quoting the page number 
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Apparently the mystery song 'Soundtrack' became 'Exercise One' (p211)...which makes very little sense as 'Exercise One' was called 'Exercise One' in a live review in 1978. He also describes Ian introducing the song as 'Exercise One' at the first Joy Division gig (even though it's not on the setlist that survives!).

I think that a lot of the 'facts' in the book made need to be taken with a pinch or two of salt - "Print the legend", as Tony Wilson said...
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again: 'Soundtrack' is what they called 'No Love Lost'.
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I'm still more inclined to believe the firsthand source like Hooky, though, PhilC.
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Hooky said in another interview that the band never played any songs off "Closer" live - whereas of course they played all of them - still want to believe the first-hand source? Memory can play funny tricks.....

Here's the interview - the memory lapse is on Page 2.....

http://www.factmag.com/2012/09/23/people-always-want-to-have-a-cheap-shot-joy-division-new-odour-and-the-world-according-to-peter-hook/2/

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Stephen Morris seems to me a much better first-hand source: http://lwtua.websitetoolbox.com/post/quotSoundtrackquot-song-from-setlists-4994398
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Okay, I was very wrong. Wow...what the fuck? Hooky has several old tapes of JD shows (let's not even begin to account for all the released JD live stuff). How the hell could he say they never played any songs off of "Closer" live? Does he mean they could never play the entire album live?

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Does he mean they could never play the entire album live?

Nope, he said that a lot of the songs on "Closer" never have been played. Just check this other interview with Hooky: http://www.godisinthetvzine.co.uk/2012/09/27/interview-peter-hook-part-one
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The interview I posted had 6 comments on it  last night - one particularly abusive (not me) but of the others two were from me - one saying in detail the actual songs JD never played live.

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Interesting to see who wrote the lyrics to "at a later date" and "novelty"
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Who? Not Ian?
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Correct. It was not Ian. According to the book.
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Really? I can't believe that...

Not sure how relevant this is, but the two earliest versions of Novelty are from the August-September 1977 rehearsals, as heard on the "The Leaders of Men" bootleg. I decoded (as best as I could; asterisk lines indicate that I'm not 100% sure) the lyrics to both versions...the first take only had the first two verses and one chorus.

 When people listen to you, it means a lot

'Cause you've got to work so hard for everything you got

Can't rest on our laurels now, not when you've got none

You find yourself in at the gutter, right back where you came from

 

Someone told me being in the know is a main thing

We all need the security that belonging brings

Can't stand on your own in these times, 'gainst all the odds

I don't wanna act all cool, like all the other sods

 

So you slap our backs and pretend you knew

About all the things that we were gonna do

Well, whatcha gonna do, whatcha gonna do

When it's over?


The second take had all the lyrics:

 When people listen to you, don't you know it means a lot?

'Cause you've got to work so hard for everything you got

Can't rest on our laurels now, not when you've got none

You find yourself in at the gutter, right back where you came from

 

Someone told me being in the know is a main thing

We all need the security that belonging brings

Can't stand on your own in these times, 'gainst all the odds

I don't wanna act all cool, like all the other sods

 

You slap our backs and pretend you knew

About all the things that we were gonna do

Whatcha gonna do, whatcha gonna do

When it's over?

 

Standing on your own, now; don'tcha think that it's a shame?

But you're the only one responsible that's to blame

When you gonna grow and act, and be yourself?

But pretty soon you find yourself nailed to the shelf

 

*Born in a half onto the wall, you wanna crawl*

*Oh, I never happened to the drawers, that they explored*

Whatcha gonna do when the novelty has gone?

Whatcha gonna do when the novelty has gone?

 

Grab it while you can, but don't ever relax

'Cause there's always someone gonna stab your back

Whatcha gonna do, whatcha gonna do

When it's over?

Grab it while you can, but don't...ooh...


You think Ian wrote a few of the verses and the other band member wrote the rest?


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All I am doing is quoting the book. You can add to that list "Gutz For Garters", "You're No Good For Me" - and a VERY early song called "BL (Bleedin' Ell)".
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Has anyone got the HMV Special Edition?

If so, what's so special about it?
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Where did you hear there was one? I'd have gone down if I'd known about that.
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The book is a little disappointing, really. I thought it would have much more information about gigs and the composing of the songs. Only two "unknown" gigs are mentioned in the book (I bought the Kindle version, so I can't inform the page of the book, only the Kindle location).
 
(Location 1544 of 6619)
?? Jan 1978 or ?? Feb 1978 - Oldham Tower Club - Oldham
Second gig as Joy Division, according to Hooky. Nobody came to this gig except two girls who mistakenly thought Joy Division were Frantic Elevators (Mick Hucknall's punk band).
It's not the first time that Hooky mentions this gig, just check these pages: http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2005/feb/04/blocparty.popandrock and http://www.oldham-chronicle.co.uk/news-features/8/news-headlines/63182/legendary-bands-humble-beginnings

(Location 2268 of 6619)
12 July 1978 - Band on The Wall - Manchester
A Manchester Musicians' Collective gig.
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Snippets from Peter Hook at Foyles this evening. A certain Warsaw drummer had to leave the band after been nicked for selling dope and phoned to say his mother wouldn't let him out. Twinny and Hooky paid Ian Curtis three quid to show his arse on the 'arty stage' at Plan K and he did it.
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Wasn't it Twinny who showed his arse? BTW - it was me who asked the question about the certain Warsaw drummer.....
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Ian indeed showed at the concert ass as you writting here ?


I can not believe it



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Remembering back I think Hooky did say it was Ian, not Twinny - but the arse-showing didn't actually happen during Joy Division's set. Plan K was a huge arty workspace and there were different events taking place. Ian apparently bared his hindquarters on one of the "arty" stages. According to Hooky he had a tattoo of a foxtail rising from the top of his rear orifice.....
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@Truth why would they call 'No love Lost' 'Soundtrack' in 1978, when it was recorded and released as 'No love lost', before those shows? 

Of course Hooky knows that songs were played live from 'Closer', he was there playing and writing them. Depends on the wording of the interview doesn't it? One word out of context, changes the entire meaning of a sentence.

I'm still not convinced that 'Decades' was played live more than once. This site is going on people's recollections of a night of total chaos re Bury, and songs that were as yet unreleased. Easy to be confused.
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@Truth why would they call 'No love Lost' 'Soundtrack' in 1978, when it was recorded and released as 'No love lost', before those shows?


The same reason they often continued using the working titles on setlists long after the track was released (Hurt/Cramp, Your Silent Face/KW1). Some of them stuck around, most didn't.

If you look at all the genuine JD setlists, can you see any that have 'No Love Lost' on? How about one with both 'Soundtrack' and 'No Love Lost'?
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