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Hi !

 

I can remember listening to a tape of a JD gig, that was so fast ! Probably 1979.

All songs faster than the studio versions. Even Autosuggestion was boosted ! All other lives I heard are slower without any doubt.


But what live was this ? Has anyone an idea ?

 

Thanks in advance !


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Must be the Eindhoven gig. It has a lovely Autosuggestion and Disorder's like "Go!Go!Go!".
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Hi ! Could have been but as far as I remember it was 100% punk with only U.P. and (early) Still songs : no Atmosphere or Closer ones. No synth led a song in the live, only raw unleashed guitar.

 

And it was faster : as fast as the fastest of this one but almost all along. Like when you accelerate a tape - except that the tune was right and showed it was really played this way.

All songs were faster than normal way, as here only a few ones are set so.

This one features periods of relative rest, as the raw one I'm seeking was restless.

It sounded clearly abnormal compared to usual gigs and studio versions. Up to the point that I finally wonder what happened to them on that night.

 

For instance here Ice Age is played more or less on a comparable tempo to the studio take, with a sound more intense, this is the main difference. Same with Warsaw.

In that live it wasn't so : was just crazy speed, like they had a bet with someone on their ability to play the maximum number of songs in just half an hour or the like. Rather a sports challenge than a usual JD thing (but it rocked well just like a storm). I stay puzzled, especially because this was unique : I regret they didn't play like this more often...

Never found it on Youtube although I collect anything available.

Definitely this is an excellent live but not the special accelerated one from 78 or 79.

How could it be that something surfaced on (unofficial) tape 27 years ago would stay absent from Youtube today ? Do such things happen ? I had it from a fan who had it from a fan etc, just on audio tapes like we used before CD's.

 


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Hmm, Factory (13 july 1979) & Eric's (11 august 1979) were played quite fast but Autosuggestion wasn't performed. Anyway check them out.
Also check YMCA (2 august 1979) & Imperial Hotel (27 july 1979) - they played Autosuggestion on these shows.

Also it may be Roots Club (11 july 1979) because Interzone from this gig is amazing... but this is unlikely.


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Thanks lads, you rock ! Will have good moments checking all [comp]

 

As an exchange of good deeds this is an audio I'm working on, featuring a rythmical rebuild from Chosen Time - the only similarity.

(Logically the free download might work)

http://thejoydivisionsyndicate.get-ctrl.com/#/music/tracks/ikc-613

(don't know how to sing on this, no official version fits in to give me any reference, will check in rehearsals and demos from JD, checking Ian's newly built melodies never kept on final discs, certainly the best source for this exercise)

 


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I have an LP bootleg of their 11 Jan 80 gig at....I forget where, you know, that Euro one, was it Amsterdam? The LP is titled "An Evening With..." and it's all very fast, in fact their rendition of "Disorder" that night is my fave ever. Absolutely full bollocks on. However, more recent masters of that gig seem to indicate that the vinyl bootleg was speeded up a tad. Maybe this is the one you're thinking of?
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Albums that are sped up a tad? Well, if no one would notice, then the Götterdämmerung LP wins hands down. It's the gig from Plan K in Brussels and it's like Alvin & the Chipmunks. Runs at least 10% too fast.
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Hi !

As I checked Plan K I found two references : 1980 that looks to be the Gottersdammerung, and 1979.

The 1979 sounds like what I heard and even reminded me of a detail I didn't mention first : almost no delay between songs.


It looks like the 1979 one isn't published officially, the youtube proposed features an audio hacked from a sort of festival where New Order displayed the tape except three last songs (power interruption in the hall or the like). So the audio quality is low.

( Begins after someone speaking some minutes )

 


Now, if this audio is the one I think I remember, this means that New Order have the good quality recording, logical. But also it that it circulated as hacked tape. So possibly we could find it somewhere, maybe under a special title not putting emphazis on the place and time (in the Gottersdammerung way).

 

However, I stick at 50 % to the feeling that the tape only featured Unknown Pleasures and Still songs. But maybe also, my memory changed details with the time, and of course Closer songs live can sound so differently from the album, rather like early sound. Could be the 1979 Plan K.

Will compare on - maybe many gigs could fit in the need of fast songs that emerges at moments. I am now considering buying various CD's, why not (speaking of those that aren't on Youtube). I did recently when I discovered a gig someone on this site advized but that wasn't on Youtube (maybe only one extract). It simplifies everything [smile]

 

Pending for further replies come on ! You all rock !


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Last news :

 

- looks like official information ensures that Plan K 1979 was never released as bootleg, so someone refused to "believe" this was true.

 

- the tape I had featured this gig however, that had a comparable quality to usual live recordings of the band.

 

- it also featured Autosuggestion from Effenar, and Warsaw from unidentified gig (not Effenar, nor played in a Closer era way : not as heavily grave tuned in the general EQ, and faster).


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Might have been 1979-07-13 Factory that can be heard on the Heart and Soul boxset. That one runs embarrassingly fast, like a whole tone higher-pitch than it should.
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That Factory gig on the box set is infamous for its speed fault. They let the recording run too fast on the box set on the 1998 edition, and ten years later they STILL failed to correct it. But like I said before, the Götterdämmerung bootleg LP is the worst in terms of high speed.
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The "someone" on the intro to the youtube clip is Jon Savage. The audio is recorded from that day's audience from a screening of the Plan K 1979 video at the Macclesfield Heritage Centre in 2011 that was curtailed when workers outside drilled through a power cable. 
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