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Regat

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Which CD releases of the following albums/box set by Joy Division sound closest to the original releases on vinyl?

I wish to avoid buying CD's that have distorted the original sound by excessive remastering and compression.

The releases I want to buy are:

1) "Unknown Pleasures"

2) "Closer"

3) "Still"

4) "Heart and Soul" (on Amazon, two different releases from 1999 and 2008 are available; are they identical, or has one of them been more remastered than the other?)

Thanks a lot for any help (and if you can provide links to where I can buy your recommendations - if they are difficult to get hold of - it would of course be fantastically helpful)!
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Hi Regat,
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Okay, all in your list sounds not so good. Actually Japanese box-set sounds closest to the 1st press vinyl. You can try your luck and catch it on eBay or Amazon... or you can buy it from Discogs but it's very expensive.

Listen and compare:
 
Japanese box-set:


Original CD (or 2007 remaster, not sure):

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Thanks a lot for your helpful reply, fage!

Yes, the sound on the Japanese box-set does sound better, I think.

Shame that the box-set is so expensive!

On Amazon, there's an "Unknown Pleasures" release from 2000:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Unknown-Pleasures-Joy-Division/dp/B000042O1H/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1414078319&sr=8-1&keywords=joy+division+unknown+pleasures

Is the sound on that 2000 release closer to the sound on the Japanese box-set?

Or has it been remastered and sounds compressed/too clear like in the following link ("Wilderness"):

link:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiPIqapyzlk

Again, thanks for any advice!
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I think none of CD sounds like Japanese box.
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ok price:
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Closer-Joy-Division-Japanese-2-CD-album-Double-CD-WPCR-12840-1-WARNER-2008-/390966266080?pt=Kinder_Haushaltsgeraete&hash=item5b0767c8e0
 JOY DIVISION Closer (2008 Japanese limited Collectors Edition 2-disc set comprising a 9-track digitally remastered CD album originally released in July 1980 displaying more keyboard textures than its predecessor with a more sombre tone lyrically echoing singer Ian Curtis unravelling state of mind but also having a dark beauty of its own plus a BONUS CD featuring 12 tracks recorded live at the ULU on 8th February 1980 superbly presented in fold-out digipak sleeve withJapanese/English lyric booklet essay
booklet written by Paul Morley + obi strip)
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Unknown-Pleasures-Joy-Division-2-CD-album-Double-CD-Japanese-WPCR-12838-9-/271658161958?pt=Kinder_Haushaltsgeraete&hash=item3f40169726
JOY DIVISION Unknown Pleasures (2008 Japanese limited edition 2-disc set comprising a 10-track digitally remastered CD album originally released in June 1979 as the outstanding debut album from the legendary post-punkers recorded at StrawberryStudios in Stockport with producer Martin Hannett who carefully sculpted their live sound into an eerie soundscape plus a BONUS CD featuring 12 tracks recorded live at the Factory in Manchester on 13th July 1979 superbly presentedinfold-out digipak sleeve with
Japanese/English lyric booklet booklet with essay by Jon
Savage + obi strip)
note little sticker:

[$_57]

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I have the 1st pressing of UP on vinyl but it's kind of destroyed from being listened to 1000 of times.
If I'm honest, to me the japanese Wilderness sounds kind of muffled. If my ears don't play tricks on me, this wasn't the case on the 1st pressing of UP. To my 50 years old ears, the second version sounds better.
UP didn't sound muffled, but maybe due to the character of vinyl and it's limitations, it never sounded harsh. The best example is "She's lost Control". On some of the cd-releases the distorted guitars sound very harsh, but that wasn't the case on the original vinyl-release.

UP sounded kind of mellow and warm while the music and the mix were at least sometimes cold and brutal (I Remember Nothing) for example. This might sound contradictory but maybe it was one of the secrets of Martin Hannett.

The Japanese version sounds as if simply the tape has lost a lot of the treble or - even worse - in order to suppress the tape hissing the treble and high frequencies were simply filtered out.
The other version contains the high frequencies. Maybe due to better noise-reduction systems, maybe an EQ or an Exciter (like the Aphey or BBE) was used.
Maybe we just had more heavy carpets and curtains in our rooms in the early 80s...
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Dirk - there's also the case where our 50-something ears have lost some treble perception themselves!  [biggrin]
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