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Dave W, nice correspondence...

I was recovering from an operation in the Middlesex Hospital and noticed this Something Else programme on BBC2 on the Saturday afternoon in question. The first problem was to get all of the other patients/viewers in the small TV room to let me turn over from the football results to watch the programme... Luckily I had an ally, another young person who was in there with me who was a big fan of The Jam!

It was incredible. There was this pensioner sitting next to us who said afterwards "That was rather unusual" and nobody had tried to turn the TV back over while the programme was on. Obviously now, "Eton Rifles" is a clear analogue to the power of JD that Paul Weller has only just woken up to.

I saw JD a few weeks later at Newcastle City Hall supporting The Buzzcocks, who I liked a lot, but there was no competition. A lot of the audience left after JD, I realise that is a cliché statement in relation to 'the myth'. However this was the one and only time they played in Newcastle, it wasn't that great a performance, actually. Something Else was something else.
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Good to know I'm not alone in mourning missing them. I’m not sure if I can put the aching into words.

 

I was in practically still in nappies when Ian left this world. I knew nothing of JD nor IC until around age 13-14 when I saw a video for LWTUA. Mind you, internet was nowhere near what it is today, so researching this amazing band was out of the question. For all I knew, they were a brand new band. I just remember how that song made me feel,  and how beautiful the singer was. I was able to acquire one album (Closer) which I played to death until CD’s became the popular standard a couple of years later.

 

It wasn’t until I was humiliated at a frat party by some guy who knew more than me, that I found out that Ian was gone. I had said something about Joy Division being the group I most wanted to see live and the guy tells me that Ian has been gone for over 10 years. That pain has never left me. I still ache to be there, I know I missed out.

 

I just wish I could hit the rewind button. I am so jealous of those of you who were in the right place at the right time. I was born too late.

 

This February I will have to settle for touring the remains of what was the Manchester music scene.

 

I hope those of you who were there know how lucky you are.

 

Brittany-Siesta Key, Florida


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Likewise Brittgrrl, i was born too late, just nine years old when IC died, so quite totally unaware of them at the time. it wasn't until i was 12-13 i became besotted with them, after a friend of mine played the Still records to me. I'll never forget that first listen, the bass on Isolation turned up way too loud it rattled the windows of my friends bedroom and vibrated through the entire house, his mother screaming "Jaysus turn that monstrous noise down". Loved it then and love it even more now as a 35 year old.
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I can relate to what you're saying to some extent. I saw them live in 1979 in london though i wasn't paying as much attention as i should've done. There were some good bands playing at the time who were more important in terms of going to see rather than joy division, but there you go hindsight is a wonderful thing. At least there are such things as here are the young men dvd's or video ( if you're lucky enough to own an original) so that we can go to a joy division concert whenever we feel the need. In terms of musicianship they weren't the best live( many bootleggs will uncover a multitude of bum notes ) but it kind of makes them what they are. An atmospheric band in an atmospheric place. I was in the right place at the right time and that's that, otherwise i would be one of the unlucky ones i guess.

 

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Stuart,

Did you realise what was happening as it was happening? That you were watching history being made (not to sound overly romantic about it...).?

 

I have the DVD Here Are The Young Men with Substance (bootleg) as well as Under Review. They are a mere substitute.  I wanted to hear, see, and smell it as it was actually happening. To see Ian with those eyes and that mouth. To know (as I've heard others did) that I was witnessing something really great that was going to change music as we knew it.

 

At 32 I'm still as enamoured and in love with the music as the 14 year old girl I was, hearing LWTUA for the first time. It has not subsided one bit, but increased with the availability of information I have found over the years on the internet, music stores, and Ebay.


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Not at the time, i wasn't even into them at that point in time. I'd seen them on tv and heard them on the peel show ( a bbc radio program who used to put lesser known bands of the time on air ). Funnily enough i got into them later on in my life which may sound a bit weird but that's how it was. I must have been the only person who saw them that didn't want to be there ( at that time ) i wish i could remember more but it was a long time ago. Someone else who uses this forum very kindly sent me a bootlegg of the the concert i went to which reminded me of a few things like the order the songs were played in, but i have to say that i wasn't down the front i was at the back having a drink and probably leaning on the bar.The sound quality wasn't brilliant on that particular night and i think someone kept mucking about with lighting system ( ian wasn't supposed to be subjected to strobescope lighting ).

 

Am i glad i went now? you bet your life. I should've paid more attention though.

 

 

 


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I'm sooooo jealous, even if you weren't aware of what you were witnessing.

 

Sigh.


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It was a long time ago, i never really thought about it in those terms, but it's great when you get together with friends and recall all the bands that you've seen over the years, i'm the only one from my circle of friends who saw them.


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Well, if you're ever in Florida...

 

I'd love to hear your recollections.

 

 


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New york in february funnily enough.


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lol...i wasn't even conceived yet when IC jumped ship...born march 1981....some of those JD shows must have been incredible to watch. i didn't see if anyone here actually went to the last JD concert....it would be nice to read a description of events that night if anyone had gone to it....


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Brittgrrl? When you come to Manchester, why don't you visit Ian's grave in Macclesfield, it may give you a sense of closure!. 
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Jimtid,  I'm not sure. Part of me thinks it would be morbid of me. Another part of me says I should pay my respects to someone who has been such a huge part of my life (musically).

 

Is he even there? I never did ask, is it just a memorial stone, or is he there?

 

I don't think I'll decide until I'm actually there.


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I saw 'em twice!
Once at the Free Trade Hall in Manchester, and before that I actually stood on stage with them at their famous Bowdon Vale gig in 1979.
I shot a series of images, which form my exhibition "I remember nothing".
Check it out at  http://www.groovywedsite.com/JoyDivision.htm
and you can see a selection of the prints at Manchester's Piccadilly Records from March 12.


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Some truly great shots there, Martin. Superb.
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Thanks for looking, Phil!
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I played support for them on two occasions in 1978 at the Band on the Wall in Manchester as the bass player for Alien Tint.  The second time it was Joy Division and A Certain Ratio on the bill as well as us.  After the gig, our lead guitarist, Martin Moscrop quit to join ACR. So we missed out on supporting Joy Division after that while we sorted out a new lineup.
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I saw JD supporting The Buzzcocks at Bournemouth Winter Gardens 79/80 I think it was.I was a massive Cocks fan so i got into JD after seeing them there.I have to say Ian was not in good form from what i can remember.....Happy Days.
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bournemouth 79, winter gardens, im sure the set was longer than the bootleg which is about, sat right in the front row to, still got the train ticket somewhere, ian was taken away on a stretcher to a waiting ambulance at the end of the set, me and my mates saw this, cant remember much about the gig other than pete shelley saying stop throwing those fookin chairs about,

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saw them at "the paradiso" A'dam.Cold outside,warm inside,backdraft in my mind...i was 19....
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je viens juste de me procurer l'enregistrement du concert au "paradiso".c'est le meilleur enregistrement de live que j'ai.Le son est impeccable.De plus,ce doit être un des plus longs qu'ils aient fait.J'ai vraiment l'impression de m'y retrouver,avec Angus et JL,comme ce jour là.J'ai un très bon souvenir de "these days" et "atrocity exhibition" comme moments intenses du concert.J'étais jeune,je ne savais pas vraiment qui je voyais ce soir là,nous étions à A'dam pour aller au "melkweg" et c'est par hasard que nous sommes aller au "paradiso",deux rues plus loin.L'année d'après,j'effectuais mon service militaire et j'emmenais les deux disques à la base avec moi.Pratiquement tous les soirs,on passait "decade" et "the eternal" dans la chambrée de soldats.
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à l'époque je n'ai pas pu me procurer tous les singles,je me suis donc procuré la +/- boxset
le n°1622.Et non,ce n'est pas la deluxe,mais tout de même!
malheureusement,la vie ne m'a pas permis de garder tous mes vynils et je le regrette...
je n'ai pas pu garder les originaux de "unknown pleasures" et de "closer"....
qu'importe,j'ai toute la disco en Mp3,et c'est ce qui a de plus important
que Ian Curtis,ce garçon écorché que la froideur des années 80 à venir a terrifiée,
s'exprime avec toute la puissance de la nouvelle technologie.


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I saw 'em twice!
Once at the Free Trade Hall in Manchester, and before that I actually stood on stage with them at their famous Bowdon Vale gig in 1979.
I shot a series of images, which form my exhibition "I remember nothing".
Check it out at  http://www.groovywedsite.com/JoyDivision.htm
and you can see a selection of the prints at Manchester's Piccadilly Records from March 12.


Great series of shots.Quite striking how young the audience were.
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i think,i saw your shots,with O'neill on it,isn't it???and i've got the vidéo,with "leaders of men",a track from Warsaw.....anyway i want more.....i'll contact you to buy some....at A'dam,ain't got no camera.....in fact i was at the Melkweg,and i was at the Paradiso by chance.....only chance.....and i never forget (one of my friends who was with me at the gig,is dust in the wind since '88,he's gone with "still".....peace JL).
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i was young,19,but the audience at this gig was so young!!!kids....
i was a teen,and i understood what I.Curtis means in his texts a few years later his death...as lot of people...

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