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Who came up with the names for Unknown Pleasures, Closer, Still, and Substance?
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I interviewed Hooky in March '88 for our "Turtle Breeder" fanzine. This was after the NO "Substance" but before the JD "Substance". He announced the JD "Substance" was to be released (it eventually came out about 5 or 6 months later) and that there were plans at the time to release "Substance" albums by The Durutti Column and A Certain Ratio - "Substance" was being touted by Factory as being an all-encompassing compilation title for each of its artists.
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Okay, that's one. Thank you, lee!

Fun fact: Hideo Kojima, the man responsible for the Metal Gear video game franchise, is a HUGE JD and NO fan. He named the special edition of Metal Gear Solid 2, subtitled Substance, after both the JD and NO compilations.

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I believe Ian came up with "Unknown Pleasures".
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It's an interesting question, as how they came up with UP and Closer album covers is regularly trotted out but never any mention of the choice of names.
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P87 of the Rob Gretton Notebooks shows a few ideas being written down for the debut, no idea who suggested each one though.
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Pg164 & 165 of "So This is Permanence", Ian's notebook contains some of the same ideals as Robs notebooks, along with some others. Included on both pages is "Unknown Pleasures".  Pg 165 looks like his top 7 fav ideals?
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Interesting. I could have sworn I heard once that Bernard came up with UP, but it was probably just the fact that he came up with "Joy Division."

Closer is a tricky one, because of the fact that the word means two different things, as a noun and adjective.

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I once thought that IC sang: "Yeah, the only mistake (...) led to pleasures unknown, different feelings and sound" .... but I was wrong. 
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